England v Iceland, 8pm (ITV)

Discussion in 'Euro 2016' started by Lord Camomile, Jun 27, 2016.

  1. Joe Reilly

    Joe Reilly Well-Known Member

    There is very obviously a long term problem there. The only question is whether the pressure transmits itself from the players to management or if its the other way round. Some of Hodgon's decisions were truly bizarre. He stumbled on his most potent forward line in the second half against Wales - Rashford-Vardy-Sturridge against Wales and waited until the very last knockings to re-introduce them.

    Taking Rooney off against Russia saw England visibly cede control and then concede. No need for it. Doing the massive switch round against Slovakia. Momentum from last gasp winner against Wales surrendered.

    Returning to Sterling/Kane/Wilshire who had all already been found seriously wanting - when the chips were down. Using Sturridge but as a right-winger - a position he is known to hate. Insisting Kane take corners - something he was patently useless at. Then insisting he take free kicks. Ditto. The luck of horror on Kane's face when the last one he took floated many yards wide was actually painful to watch. Hart's general performances ignored. Not up for debate. Even when there is a known (by City watchers) structural flaw in his game - a fatal inability to deal with shots low to his left. There are of course many more examples of eccentricity.

    But once Iceland equalized all the doubts the players were secretly harbouring instantly enveloped them. All of them. Look at the confident way Rooney blasted home the penalty two minutes in. Now imagine the same scenario two mins from the end? Exactly.
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  2. ska invita

    ska invita back on the other side

  3. tommers

    tommers Your disco needs you

  4. skyscraper101

    skyscraper101 0891 50 50 50

    The more I see those 'morons on tour' England fans chanting racist bile in foreign countries, the less I ever want England to win anything.

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  5. 8den

    8den No I'm pretty sure that was 8ball...

  6. editor

    editor Taffus Maximus

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  7. editor

    editor Taffus Maximus

  8. editor

    editor Taffus Maximus

  9. butchersapron

    butchersapron blood on the walls

    Went a bit easy on most of them i think.
  10. skyscraper101

    skyscraper101 0891 50 50 50

    Slightly unfair on Rashford.
  11. hot air baboon

    hot air baboon Well-Known Member

    ...can Eddie Jones do the footy team on his days off...
  12. Bonfirelight

    Bonfirelight Crocodile

    Typical English press tbh. Didn't beat Iceland, must have been 0 all round.
    They were rubbish, Kane, Rooney and Sturrridge especially so, but across the board - 4s to 6s surely sensible?
  13. Lord Camomile

    Lord Camomile Lemonade socialist

    Yeah, this occurred to me too. Sure they were bad, but for the sake of a gag they've classed them all as no hope whatsoever, absolutely useless. Because they lost to the 34th team in the world.

    And it's a wonder why our players might have issues with pressure and mentality...
  14. butchersapron

    butchersapron blood on the walls

    Not sure that it's the times individual ratings that are in their head. Something is. But it ain't that.
  15. editor

    editor Taffus Maximus

    Oh come on. They all play at the highest level and get paid commensurately, and most other team players come under equal pressure to succeed. They lost because for all their individual skill and talent they're a very average team with risible tactics and togetherness.
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  16. Lord Camomile

    Lord Camomile Lemonade socialist

    But it feeds into and is part of the culture.

    Obviously I'm not saying it's the biggest contributing factor, but it doesn't bloody help.
  17. Lord Camomile

    Lord Camomile Lemonade socialist

    Wouldn't disagree, I just think it's a contributing factor. Plus, I'm pretty sure non-English observers have commented on similar, how the England team are put under more pressure than other international teams. Of course, I don't have sources for this, but I'm pretty sure I read or heard it. Somewhere :hmm:
  18. The Octagon

    The Octagon Stop...Hammertime

    That may be, but it's hardly the greatest football calamity of all time.

    Upsets happen, especially in tournament football, we got a deserved beating by a well organised team, I'm not where their population or ranking comes into it.

    11 v 11, not good enough on the night.

    But "England team has a shit game and comes home one game earlier than we would have expected them to" probably doesn't sell papers or get airtime.
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  19. souljacker

    souljacker A bit of skullduggery

    The only people that should have got 0 ratings are the manager, jack wilshite and Joe Hart. What was Roy was thinking of swapping Dier for Wilshire? Fucking bonkers.

    Joe Hart has consistently let in howlers in big tournaments. We will never win anything with a keeper who is that shit.
  20. skyscraper101

    skyscraper101 0891 50 50 50

    Hodgeson was making drastic changes to the starting lineup all through the four games demonstrates as clear as day he doesn't even know what team to play.

    Not a clue about even who to play where, and for once a tournament with no major injuries keeping the top (lol) players out.
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  21. editor

    editor Taffus Maximus

    The England ex-players, intentional press and the pundits don't seem to have come onboard with that spin.
  22. littlebabyjesus

    littlebabyjesus one of Maxwell's demons

    Don't agree. It's right up there. It will be talked about for years.

    It's not just the result, it's the performance.

    More than one of those players will have played their final match for England because of it. It was a career-ending calamity.
  23. heinous seamus

    heinous seamus til clay-cauld death shall blind my ee

    Not sure if this has been posted yet:

  24. tommers

    tommers Your disco needs you

    No England player would get in a team of the tournament. They're just not very good.
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  25. The Octagon

    The Octagon Stop...Hammertime

    Nah. Don't get me wrong, I'm not downplaying it, it was painful and embarrassing to watch, but the next season will start, we'll win a few WC qualifiers and the cycle begins again, it happens to every team at some point.

    Holland didn't even qualify for the tournament but nobody's wringing their hands and sobbing there.

    Just some press excitement that is amplified by the recent other Europe stuff, it makes for a handy narrative IMO.
  26. tommers

    tommers Your disco needs you

    Seen it, but it is good.
  27. Bonfirelight

    Bonfirelight Crocodile

    The manager got it wrong and never appeared to know his best team or what he wanted them to do.
    A handful of players were objectively awful last night, and none of the others did anything other than the minimum expected of them. They had previously been playing well (but not that well. 7s maybe)
    Iceland were well organised and decent, although I think they also weren't at their best.
    It's like say Everton getting knocked out of the cup by.. Blackburn or similar. Surprising, but that's football.
  28. twistedAM

    twistedAM Left Of The Dial

    Just watching the FA press conference. Hodgson is an uncomfortable dinosaur.
  29. friedaweed

    friedaweed Sitting down for a wee

    I'm sorry but even as a Liverpool fan I find that offensive to the Toffees. I've never seen them as shit as England were last night :D
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  30. catinthehat

    catinthehat Failed VK = Replicant

    Sadly I was on a work thing in Romania so missed this although I know there was a massive turn out to watch this on the big TV downtown. I flew into Glasgow last night and saw it on a tv in the bar, noted the score and did one of those footbally 'Yeees' things. Then panicked thinking I would be in trouble, then remembered that in Scotland they certainly do not support England.
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