England Squad - No Sol, Becks or James

[tangerinedream]

that's what i mean, you have 25 minutes left, you need to add something to the game and the midfield is looking tired, who do you bring on? jenas or beckham??? hmmmm....

I suppose you could also see it a bit like Gullit & Shearer... (though I don't think Beckham is anywhere as useful Shearer was to Newcastle)

 

[kakuma]

I suppose you could also see it a bit like Gullit & Shearer... (though I don't think Beckham is anywhere as useful Shearer was to Newcastle)

shearer was a big part of newcastles revival under robson, gullit was a fool to drop him on principle for an important game, that;s why he got the boot so quickly

 

[tangerinedream]

shearer was a big part of newcastles revival under robson, gullit was a fool to drop him on principle for an important game, that;s why he got the boot so quickly

Best thing he could do for himself is come back to England I reckon and force his way back in - He could do brilliantly at Madrid and hardly anyone would care, cos they don't see him play. If he was doing it in the Prem, Maclaren would be under pressure to play him.

 

[The Pious Pawn]

I'm all in favour of the Beckham situation. What will he offer England in two years, when he's 33?

Having accepted he can only play on the right of midfield, he'll still be keeping Lennon or SWP out of the side. Is that a good thing?

Yeah, he can cross the ball and runs around a lot, but he can't beat a man, make a tackle, win a header and rarely scores.

And yeah, he can take a mean free kick, but he's turning into Roberto Carlos - wayward more often than not. Anyway, Gerrard, Lampard and Cole all take set-pieces for their clubs and Gerrard is at least as accurate as Beckham.

Couldnt add much to that apart from time has come to play with people who can run at pace with the ball .

 

[The Pious Pawn]

i wouldnt say bent was international class , But i wouldnt say he wasnt . He needs to kick on an keep produceing the goals and take his chance with both hands . The striker postitions are up for grabs at present i think apart from rooney nothing is set in stone for them i think there are a couple of options that havnt been brought up Carlton Cole is one of them , A big brute of a man with pace an skill as well as a eye for goal i think he will flourish this season at west ham an force is way into the england squad .

 

[tangerinedream]

i wouldnt say bent was international class , But i wouldnt say he wasnt . He needs to kick on an keep produceing the goals and take his chance with both hands . The striker postitions are up for grabs at present i think apart from rooney nothing is set in stone for them i think there are a couple of options that havnt been brought up Carlton Cole is one of them , A big brute of a man with pace an skill as well as a eye for goal i think he will flourish this season at west ham an force is way into the england squad .

Well exactly - Bent MUST be in front of most other people, based on how he's done, I'm not sayin he's the answer, but to say he's not seems very unfair. Carlton cOle looked the business at Chelsea, but has been shite at Villa.

 

[kakuma]

Best thing he could do for himself is come back to England I reckon and force his way back in - He could do brilliantly at Madrid and hardly anyone would care, cos they don't see him play. If he was doing it in the Prem, Maclaren would be under pressure to play him.

but he's playing in a more skillful league

why should beckham have to change his game when his performances for england are still excellent

lampard is the one who should be fighting for his place considering the world cup he had

 

[tangerinedream]

but he's playing in a more skillful league

why should beckham have to change his game when his performances for england are still excellent

lampard is the one who should be fighting for his place considering the world cup he had

Yeah but if the manager doesn't fancy him, then he's doing himself a diservice being out the public eye, cos if no-ones clamouring for his return, then there never will be a return. If he went to any Premiership club and bagged a couple of storming free kicks it would be all over the papers. If he scores for Madrid it's be tucked away somewhere and no-one will care.

I think Beckhams performances were ok rather than excellent in the last WC.

 

[ChrisFilter]

No Sol or Becks? Guess I'll have Corona then

 

[sleaterkinney]

No Sol or Becks? Guess I'll have Corona then

That's worse than the BA joke.

 

[g force]

How exactly have you come to this conclusion? Defoe has about 15 caps and 1 goal irc - Doesn't Bent deserve a chance? If he doesn't, then no-one does.

I watch the 'quality' defences of the Premiership...don't think Defoe's good enough either if Egnlan want to win the Euros.

 

[tangerinedream]

I watch the 'quality' defences of the Premiership...don't think Defoe's good enough either if Egnlan want to win the Euros.

What's your forward line then?

Rooney and? (I presume you'd play Rooney)

 

[g force]

Rooney and probabaly Crouch because of the options he provides. the lack of second world class striker is what stops England progessing in major comps IMO. Decent players should be banging in 20 league goals a season.

 

[The Pious Pawn]

That is a part of it g force but not the sole problem .

 

[Streathamite]

Best thing he could do for himself is come back to England I reckon and force his way back in - He could do brilliantly at Madrid and hardly anyone would care, cos they don't see him play. If he was doing it in the Prem, Maclaren would be under pressure to play him.

he couldn't tho - he's a spent force. The beckham, at his best, at United, STILL couldn't go past people, and was STILL a liability in the tackle, but his short passing and long passing game was excellent.
the beckham of 06 had 2 things
1) good corners
2) free kicks.
England have plenty of players who can do either. He didn't do many crosses, he skimmed in a goal offa defender against paraguay, and got a good un against Ecuador.
you need far more than that to win trophies.
he's just not up to it.

 

[tangerinedream]

Rooney and probabaly Crouch because of the options he provides. the lack of second world class striker is what stops England progessing in major comps IMO. Decent players should be banging in 20 league goals a season.

What like Crouch? He got about 8 last year playing in a far superior side to Bent. He's like a rubbish version of Luca Toni in my opinion and not as good as Heskey.
He tries, he looks funny, every one loves him but he's crap.

 

[tangerinedream]

he couldn't tho - he's a spent force. The beckham, at his best, at United, STILL couldn't go past people, and was STILL a liability in the tackle, but his short passing and long passing game was excellent.
the beckham of 06 had 2 things
1) good corners
2) free kicks.
England have plenty of players who can do either. He didn't do many crosses, he skimmed in a goal offa defender against paraguay, and got a good un against Ecuador.
you need far more than that to win trophies.
he's just not up to it.

Oh, I agree - trying to suggest to Ninj what Beckham should do if wants to get back in, that's all. I suspect he'll be happy enough as a galictico for two years or so, then who knows.

 

[The Pious Pawn]

and not as good as Heskey

You must be of your rocker heskey is the shitest player ever to pull on the england top id call him a cunt but even a cunt has a use that man has none .

 

[kakuma]

this whole thing about him being a galactico, being too old etc just avoid the essential point imo

england in the 1/4 finals of euro '08, 70 minutes played and we are stuck at a deadlock

who would you like to see warming up on the touchline, jermaine jenas or david beckham???

 

[Streathamite]

neither - downing or lennon

 

[kakuma]

neither - downing or lennon

but they are both injured....

i'm saying that mclaren making a point of dropping beckham is stupid, since he is still an effective player and the very idea of having jenas or phil neville as backup instead of beckham even in 2 years time is fucking stupid imo

shit post, off oot :

 

[The Pious Pawn]

Effective my asre .

 

[AverageJoe]

I see your Emile Heskey and raise you Tony Daley...

 

[The Pious Pawn]

i thought daley was ok

 

[Streathamite]

yeah daley had skill, whereas heskey is just a lump

 

[mhwfc]

He had an outstanding year at Watford. Irc United paid Stoke (I think it was stoke) about £1.5m for him, before he'd ever played for them.

He was standby for the World Cup, his kicking in the match against the pissant corner flag thieves from just up the M1 (L****) was a bit dodgy, but other than that he had an excellent season for Watford, obviously he's not been tested at the highest level yet but he's certainly got the potential to be one of the top keepers in England IMO, and it's great that McLaren's giving him the experience, if he plays well for Watford I can see him leapfrogging ahead of Kirkland at the very least.

 

[kakuma]

Effective my asre .

he scores goals and gets assists, he;s effective

like i said, on our recent performances it should be lampard who has to fight his way back into the squad since he basically spent the world cup running around likke a headless chickenand spooning the ball into row Z

beckham scored a couple of goals and set a few up, which is an excellent performance considering the whole team never got out of 2nd gear

 

[Stobart Stopper]

They should kick out any player who refuses to sing our national anthem, ungrateful little fucks. Probably too thick to know the words.

 

[kakuma]

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