England soar to fourth place in Fifa world football rankings. WTF?

Discussion in 'football' started by editor, Jul 4, 2012.

  1. editor

    editor Taffus Maximus

    Suggest the ranking to the fans and see what they say.

    I'd put England about tenth in the world.
     
  2. Maltin

    Maltin Well-Known Member

    Perhaps they should do it like the Eurovision song contest. I bet that would take us down a peg or 200.
     
  3. Monkeygrinder's Organ

    Monkeygrinder's Organ Dodgy geezer swilling vapid lager

    Behind who?

    I'm going to guess that it would include Brazil and Argentina. I'm also going to guess you've not seen either of them play in the last couple of years. Would that be accurate?
     
  4. belboid

    belboid TUC Off Your Knees

    That'd be interesting, but not exactly unbiased. Smaller countries lose out simply by having fewer people who could vote, and then the general 'Eurovision' voting as alluded to my Maltin.

    The rankings are obvious bollocks, and tenth sounds about right, but how can they be made to reflect that accurately?
     
  5. editor

    editor Taffus Maximus

    If I was a gambling man, I'd wager good money that England would fail to beat both those teams. How about you?
     
  6. Monkeygrinder's Organ

    Monkeygrinder's Organ Dodgy geezer swilling vapid lager

    Decent wriggle.:D
     
  7. editor

    editor Taffus Maximus

    Come on, man! Answer the question!

    :D
     
  8. Maltin

    Maltin Well-Known Member

    So everyone votes on the top 205 teams in the world? How do you determine if Bhutan are better than Timor-Leste? Clearly the rankings are pointless but if you are going to do them for everyone in FIFA, you can only do them on performance rather than judgement.

    I think the tournaments are the best judge of how good teams are. Based on the last two of those, England are between the fifth and 16th best team in the world. anything more specific than that is hard to judge. I would say somewhere between eighth and eleventh sounds about right currently.
     
  9. editor

    editor Taffus Maximus

    Don't ask me for details. I'm making this up as I go along.
     
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  10. Monkeygrinder's Organ

    Monkeygrinder's Organ Dodgy geezer swilling vapid lager

    You first.:p

    OK, on the basis we've established that I was right, I'll have a go. I'll even ignore that you've changed it to 'England would fail to win' and so ignored the possibility of a ground out 0-0.;)

    I'd be inclined to bet on Brazil or Argentina over England. I'd instinctively be more inclined to back England against Uruguay though, even though they've recently won the Copa America, and the same for Brazil or Argentina against Uruguay even though they've failed to beat them recently. That's because like most people here I assume Brazil will always be good even though I haven't seen them in years. Which is why I wouldn't be much use in assessing rankings.
     
  11. Lo Siento.

    Lo Siento. Second As Farce

    And you just fell for a really obvious troll :D:facepalm:
     
  12. editor

    editor Taffus Maximus

    The self pwning continues!

    Way to go, backfire boy! :D
     
  13. Lo Siento.

    Lo Siento. Second As Farce

    what part of the posts made by those posters makes you think either of those votes are genuine? Are you really this fucking thick?
     
  14. editor

    editor Taffus Maximus

    LOL. I can almost feel your anger and frustration.

    :D
     
  15. Lo Siento.

    Lo Siento. Second As Farce

    Ah, poor Editor, reads the posts concerned, realises he's made a tit of himself, tries to front it out. Post more grinning faces, go on! "LOL"
     
  16. Termite Man

    Termite Man zombie flesh eater

    I think you'll find the person on the delusional ale is you if you think the votes for england are better than 4th are serious ones.
     
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  17. Lord Camomile

    Lord Camomile Lemonade socialist

    Out of interest, what would be a better system? Or should the whole thing be done away with? There is no best, any team can beat any other team, football's a funny old game, at the end of the day.
     
  18. aylee

    aylee In exile in Haringay

    The whole thing should be done away with, because ultimately these rankings serve little or no valid purpose.
     
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  19. Termite Man

    Termite Man zombie flesh eater


    it will determine seeds for world cup qualifying, which is quite a useful purpose if you want to make sure* all the big teams get to the world cup



    *by not having a group of Spain, Germany, Italy , Portugal etc. in
     
  20. skyscraper101

    skyscraper101 0891 50 50 50

    I'd say England are probably joint fourth or fifth best in Europe with France possibly Netherlands too. They'd be more like 8th or 9th best worldwide.
     
  21. belboid

    belboid TUC Off Your Knees

    Spain, Germany, Italy, Portugal, Netherlands - all better than England. France about the same, with Russia, Sweden, and maybe Croatia not far behind. Add in Uruguay, either Argentina or Brazil, and quite possibly Cote d'Ivoire... makes England about 7th in Europe and 10th worldwide.
     
  22. Lord Camomile

    Lord Camomile Lemonade socialist

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  23. mattie

    mattie missing in inaction

    Brazil 13th?
     
  24. Wilf

    Wilf Meeting few of his KPIs

    Even having read this http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/2012/aug/08/england-third-fifa-world-rankings
    which refers to the criteria, I'm still nonplussed how England get 3rd. Wonder if they count eliminations on penalties as draws? If so, I suppose, we left the Euros undefeated. :p They want to get messrs Duckworth and Lewis in - otherwise the Eurovison Song Contest judging will have more credibility.
     
  25. The Octagon

    The Octagon Stop...Hammertime

    We did alright in the Olympics, that's got to count right?
     
  26. Wilf

    Wilf Meeting few of his KPIs

    Yes, another top 8 spot - men and women (though no, don't know if they include anything other than main internationals - probably not).
     
  27. Monkeygrinder's Organ

    Monkeygrinder's Organ Dodgy geezer swilling vapid lager

    It does yeah. Where there's a penalty shoot out the winning team gets two points and the losing team one (otherwise three for a win and one for a draw.)

    Seems reasonable enough to me. Imagine the frothing at the mouth if England had won the shootout and got three points.;)
     
  28. deadringer

    deadringer meat pie sausage roll

    What do we have to do to go up to second? This is much more easy than actually having to win anything!
     
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  29. not-bono-ever

    not-bono-ever Not what they want but what is good for them

    every time Ingerland go up a place, John terry smiles. just bear that in mind
     
  30. deadringer

    deadringer meat pie sausage roll

    ...........and bitter people grimace
     

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