England soar to fourth place in Fifa world football rankings. WTF?

Discussion in 'football' started by editor, Jul 4, 2012.

  1. editor

    editor Taffus Maximus

    Seven places above Brazil. LOL.

    :facepalm:

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/18703497
     
  2. Dan U

    Dan U Boompty

    absolute wtf.

    not even the fourth best in Europe, let alone anywhere else.
     
  3. editor

    editor Taffus Maximus

    FIFA have been smoking on a crack pipe.
     
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  4. Dan U

    Dan U Boompty

    ecstasy mash
     
  5. The Octagon

    The Octagon Stop...Hammertime

    Apart from number 1 being usually correct, nobody takes the blindest bit of notice of the FIFA rankings anyway.

    I think our qualifying record and consistent QFinalist status keeps us artificially high.
     
  6. Dan U

    Dan U Boompty

    Italy must be a bit peeved
     
  7. editor

    editor Taffus Maximus

    They don't even make the semis!
     
  8. editor

    editor Taffus Maximus

    How can France be nine places behind England?!!!
     
  9. The Octagon

    The Octagon Stop...Hammertime

    That's what I just said :confused:

    You're getting awfully exercised about England's FIFA ranking.
     
  10. editor

    editor Taffus Maximus

    I think it's hilarious. Don't you?

    Trouble is though that there'll be no shortage of doofuses who go on to believe that England really are the fourth best team in the world, and then they'll start whining away again after the inevitable early exit.
     
  11. Ted Striker

    Ted Striker Foot's on the other hand

    Aside from a number of fools (within a perfectly internationally normal ratio of population), no one England thinks their team is any good. I don't know why you keep saying this?!

    I do indeed want some of what Fifa are smoking though!
     
  12. editor

    editor Taffus Maximus

  13. Monkeygrinder's Organ

    Monkeygrinder's Organ Dodgy geezer swilling vapid lager

    These always make me laugh, just because of how much they annoy some people.:D

    Thing is though England are where they are because of their results. France might have looked better but then they went and lost to Sweden. Maybe someone would like to propose some amendments to the ranking formula to reflect England's status more accurately. A 500 point England-only deduction for 'obviously being shit, right' or something like that?
     
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  14. Ted Striker

    Ted Striker Foot's on the other hand

  15. Lord Camomile

    Lord Camomile Lemonade socialist

    Russia, Greece and Croatia are also above France. Uruguay are four places above Argentina, eight above Brazil (although actually, given the last WC, that may be less controversial). Greece are only one place behind Brazil.

    But of course it's England that everyone complains about. They're all using the same system, England don't have any say over it, the points are awarded on multiple different criteria.

    Fist of truth -> deluded faces :(
     
  16. Placid Casual27

    Placid Casual27 Gorau Chwarae Cyd Chwarae

    Rankings should be done in reverse alphabetical order
     
  17. belboid

    belboid TUC Off Your Knees

    the criteria being: 'Keep all the 'big' countries in the top 10 so their fans - with their higher spending power - go to the touranments.'

    If only they could get the USA higher than 36th....

    Nice to see Palestine are up to 154th
     
  18. littlebabyjesus

    littlebabyjesus one of Maxwell's demons

    I think there's a danger of thinking of teams in terms of reputation rather than results, though. Argentina barely scraped through qualification for the last WC, for instance.
     
  19. Lord Camomile

    Lord Camomile Lemonade socialist

    P'raps, I honestly haven't thought about it that much.
    That's very true, which is why I put the caveat in the brackets. It occurred to me I'm not that well-versed on the current state of football outside of Europe, save for bits 'n' pieces I've picked up.
     
  20. aylee

    aylee In exile in Haringay

    I challenge you to find me one. :)
     
  21. Lord Camomile

    Lord Camomile Lemonade socialist

    Don't; I'm pretty sure he keeps a folder of them.
     
  22. Lo Siento.

    Lo Siento. Second As Farce

    God you're boring. Bet you can't find one England fan on here who thinks we're the 4th best team in the world.
     
  23. belboid

    belboid TUC Off Your Knees

    Everyone at work (well, everyone who gave a flying fuck) was pissing themselves about it when they found out.
     
  24. Lord Camomile

    Lord Camomile Lemonade socialist

  25. Maltin

    Maltin Well-Known Member

    Not really as I can't imagine many people in Italy take the rankings that seriously and they moved from 12th to 6th following their performance during the European championships, so the rankings do reflect their improved performance.

    The fact that England didn't lose during Euro 2012 (other than on penalties, which doesn't count) nor in their friendlies prior to the competition meant they improved their ranking, overtaking Netherlands who lost all three games. Other than Spain, there weren't any other teams who went home undefeated. Presumably Brazil haven't played much in June to gain many points and so were overtaken by a lot of the European teams.

    Whilst no one seriously thinks England are the fourth best team in the world, they are rarely beaten in 90/120 minutes which is presumably why under the ranking system they feature highly.
     
  26. Maltin

    Maltin Well-Known Member

    If you look at the last year, France have played 13 games, winning 8, drawing 3 and losing 2.

    Over the same period, England played 12, won 8, drew 3 and lost 1 (a friendly). If you used a basic calculation using points for wins and draws, England would have the same number of points. Considering that England didn't lose at the European championship finals and France lost two games, would suggest (based on the way that the rankings work) that England would deserve more points than France.

    Over the 2012 qualification, France lost once; England were undefeated.

    Then consider that the rankings are done over four years, which also encompasses the last World Cup where France were knocked out in the first round without winning a game and England progressed to the next stage.

    Over that qualification period, England won 9 games and lost 1. France won just 6, drew 3 and lost 1 and needed a play off to qualify.

    Therefore, it's not that surprising based on that limited data that England are ranked higher than France and presumably over the rest of the games played in that four year period, England's results must have continued to be better than France.

    Whether currently France look a better team than England is irrelevant to these irrelevant rankings. Their results over the four year period have been worse.
     
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  27. editor

    editor Taffus Maximus

    You've just been self-pwned by your own poll!

    :facepalm:
     
  28. magneze

    magneze mnemonic beef

    I'll have some of what they're having.
     
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  29. Monkeygrinder's Organ

    Monkeygrinder's Organ Dodgy geezer swilling vapid lager

    This is all true. Obviously the rankings do flatter England - anything like that is bound to flatter someone - but all the 'Fifa are idiots' comments are a bit silly. It's not like someone at Fifa has sat down and just decided England are fourth.

    The criteria (which have been established for a while) are here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FIFA_World_Rankings. I'd be interested in suggestions as to how they can be amended to ensure England's shitness is properly reflected.
     
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  30. editor

    editor Taffus Maximus

    Ten pints of Delusional Ale and a couple of Fantasy Shots.
     
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