Discussion in 'football' started by editor, Mar 11, 2010.
Gildas a big one.
Did you mean to post this to your pals on Stormfront you freak?
From the BBC:
This is denied by the white nationalists on Krautfront as it puts a kybosh on their twisted theories. Mainstream UK unionists hate it too.
Yeah but using sources like Gildas as primary, is very difficult, and perhaps impossible. He was writing religious polemics, rather than history.
You can glean maps like this from his work:
But notions of an area being 'briton' or 'anglian' etc will have meant something different back then. They are likely to have reflected the family and kinship of the leaders and rulers of the areas. There is no evidence that all the peasants in those areas upped sticks and moved. Chances are they had to tolerate their new bosses the same as they did their old ones.
All that is irrelevant anyway. As far as most proper english people are concerned northerners are not really english. Its surely some kind of geological mistake that they are attached to us in anyway. Lets face it proper english people are all sophisticated and never feel the need to brighten up their sex lives with ferrets! They are every bit as foreign as the welsh or chinese but just cant admit it.
'chances are' vs evidence of literary, genetic, dna, legendary, linguistic, placename, surname, archaeological, and the histories of victors and vanquished.
And I thought I posted some shit from time to time...
Probably through your own letter box if your from the west country or whatever it is they call dumnomia these days.
The dna history of these islands is still in it's infancy. There's been a couple of early attempts, but nothing conclusive so far. And archaeological evidence is likewise open to interpretation. These are the two areas of most interest.
The linguistic stuff, and the legends and histories weren't enough to give us the full picture when they were written, and hence still aren't.
What you are doing (and always used to do) is claim that there are two sides to this debate. And any evidence that doesn't support your belief in your particular celtic/saxon fantasy world that may or may not have existed, is Stormfront propaganda. When historical analysis is not about sides. It is just a systematic review of the evidence, and an understanding about the limits of that evidence.
Anyway - we've done this to death many years ago.
What a depressing thread
It is isn't it
it doesn't matter
the dna doesn't lie
But yeah, much crunchiness. I'll risk all, and start a thread in science, or philosophy, sometime. Meanwhile, sorry for the derail, and back to the football.
Football! You sad fucks.
The dna may not lie, but the research you are citing is not a watertight case. It is looking a particular bit of dna evidence and extrapolating from that. It's a valuable bit of research, but not done and dusted.
But what of this alternative suggestion from earlier?
There's words for the Archers theme? What they then?
I'm going to have a fine old time between June 11 and July 11, living as I do in Swansea now
** Over a week of that time will be at Glastonbury mind
Thing is, I always support Wales in the rugby, and always did before moving here too, including against those public school twats (England rugby). That won't help me when I get to the WC though.
But how the hell can I support England in the football, in Wales? I'll either have to go to a very studenty area, or to Bristol, if I want to go to the pub for televised games ....
PS I'd never sing GSTQ or RB on the grounds that they're both imperialistic, and shite. Land of Hope and Glory at a push. More likely 'Ingerlund' or 'Rooooney!' ..... after sufficient beer anyway ....
And as for England v Wales in the upcoming Euro qualifiers prior to 2012 -- definitely a trip to Bristol needed there, methinks.....
ETA : OK maybe Cardiff for my first ever live England match, albeit with Wales at home and me in the away end at the Millennium , and Bristol for when England are at Wembley.
I'm particularly interested that Irish legend talks of six cycles of invasion coming from the Mediterranean via Spain, during the late Neolithic to bronze age.
The very word "Celts" and "Celtic" are ambiguous. I think of the language and the people who brought it as arriving in this corner of Europe during the Neolithic period. The Celtic languages and culture were here as stone gave way to metal. Others think it was an iron age thing, that the technology of metal working was well established before there were any "Celts".
Semantics like this have to be sorted, before any sensible discussion can even begin.
Thankfully they have a new song now
They'll still be singing the same dirge tonight.
Show me the way to go home?
Bit like the welsh
No tbf they do have lovely voices
how "bit like the Welsh" ??
I really don't care for anthems, royal families or pomp and ceremony. However it is a bleak minute or two to ignore and then we have a match to watch.
Really not a big deal
You bumped this horror of a thread!
Voices are a bit girly - high
And gems such as "Taffy aggro" and various others ive heard down the years, will not mention them
as some get a bit upset.
Anyway i am happy today, my local team are on the verge of signing a new player
A welsh International infact.
I will bump you in a minute
Please explain what Wales has to do with this. Thanks. I'm a British citizen. I think I'm entitled to comment on the nature of the national anthem.
You're sounding like big twat now with this xenophobic nonsense. Kindly desist.
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