Discussion in 'Euro 2016' started by Lord Camomile, May 16, 2016.
So we don't contaminate the general thread
26-man squad announced
as long as wilshere doesn't come back injured i'm not fussed.
I don't think Rashford should go, just because I don't think it would be good for his development.
My colleague's a bit sore Defoe didn't make the squad It's a tricky one, he's clearly in great form but is he what England need when they already have Kane and Vardy?
Henderson - Lallana, the weakest links. Wilshere will need all 90mins of the 3 friendlies beforehand to get anywhere near his best, but definitely worth it. Rooney better play midfield only, there' no way he's ahead of Kane, Vardy or Sturridge as a striker.
I think Rashford should go too, never mind his development, he's a match winner. Can't see him making the final 23 though unless Roy recatogorises Rooney as a midfielder. Which he won't.
Actually, there's a fair few curious choices: Delph and Stirling have hardly been pulling up trees for Man City, though I can understand the hope that the latter will magically turn on some magic, somehow. Lallana hasn't had a stellar season either.
I'm a big defender of Milner, so glad he's in there again. I've always quite liked Townsend but still a little surprised he's in there.
It's that sort of short-term thinking that causes us so many problems in the long run
I mean irrespective of his development. I'd take him cos he's a better striker than Rooney.
Yeah, I get that's what you mean, and what I mean is that's short-term thinking because you're just thinking of "he might score a couple of goals in this tournament", rather than it might not be best for him development-wise in the longer term. I'd have to revisit the arguments but there's been a lot said of playing players in their age-appropriate tournaments, rather than 'blooding' them in the first squad tournaments as soon as they show any kind of promise. Let him be for now, so he's better in the future.
It's not a squad that's going to challenge to win the tournament is it - the likes of Germany and Spain wouldn't pick Henderson or Delph in their 6th teams if they had them. That said it's much lower on massive cunts than previous teams and they could at least be enjoyable to watch if they give it a decent go.
OK, in that case we just disagree about what's best for his development. Personally I think he would cope fine and it would be good for him to go.
Delph and Drinkwater would be mostly likely to miss out I would have thought assuming there are no injuries. Not sure who the 3rd would be probably Rashford.
Delph is clearly in as cover for Wilshere. I doubt he'll make the cut.
There are some really exciting players in that squad, I mean who wouldn't want Vardy, Kane and Sturridge? Its not the midfield or the forwards that are the worry its the defence. We will always concede because we lack top level centre backs. That is why we'll probably progress well enough till we meet a Germany or a Spain or France etc and then we'll get beaten.
I hoped Mark Noble may have got a look in, especially considering Henderson and Wilshere are both returning from injury.
Also, not sure about taking Rashford. He's only going to get one match before the squad is finalised. I'm all for blooding young players but not this close to a major tournament.
Mark Noble's omission is incomprehensible, but I would say that wouldn't I?
I'd take a punt on Rashford. We need more yoot dem to come through before the World Cup.
He doesn't take Walcott cos he "hasn't played enough". But takes somebody who has played 3 games this season.
He doesn't pick Noble cos "I'm not picking people off the back of one good season". But takes Drinkwater.
Fabian Delph? Townsend?
I like Roy but these are some odd choices.
Hodgson out now!
I suppose Raheem Stirling might ignore the evidence of the whole last season and dribble it past somebody and maybe even pass the ball to one of his own players.
But he cost City £50 million I suppose so he's in.
What the fuck does Adam Lallana do?
Michail Antonio is better than any winger in that squad.
Agreed, great goal yesterday as well.
I think it's a pretty good squad. Light in defence, OK in midfield, exciting forwards.
It's coming home
It's quite a young squad - they haven't reached their full potential yet
I think, much like the likes of Germany and Spain did, we should ignore thoughts of challenging to win the tournament. Again, we need to take a longer view, build foundations for the future. Get a side used to playing together, used to tournament football, and then build on that over the next 4-8 years. Then start to think about winning
Surely its the defence in that squad that is the problem. Three centre halves, one of whom (Stones) is a total liability.
What about Andy Carroll? - it's the 89th minute and we need a goal from a rare corner against Slovakia to go through because we blew it in the opener and Wales battled us to a draw. The last samurai can bully his way to scoring whereas Rooney will just end up shouting back at the fans for booing him.
For the lols
My England starting XI
This was very quickly hashed together, probably wouldn't actually start with this
It wouldn't be proper England without a contentious squad naming day ahead of a major tournament.
We need a metatarsal injury too from Vardy or Rooney next, and a cut out and keep foot to pray to from The Sun, a re-release of Three Lions '16 with ageing Baddiel and Skinner, and some fluff pieces in the news about "England-mad" fans paining their houses red and white.
Fiiiiiiiiifty years of hurt...
We haven't had a 'England fans arrange huge fight with anyone who wants a go' story yet either.
Plastic chair war with Welsh fans in Lens, anyone?
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