Discussion in 'Euro 2016' started by Lord Camomile, Jun 14, 2015.
Robbie Keane has scored at least 1 international goal for 18 consecutive seasons. Legend.
Apparently Vivian Woodward fitted in the First World War in his career too. ETA or rather it ended it. 29 in 23 games though!
Especially for a girl
Obligatory David Nugent reference, a record of a goal every 13 minutes for England.
Haven't looked through the whole team, but pretty sure it's Welbeck with 17, then very possibly Walcott with 7...
And smallest average distance from goal for goals of any England player ever
14 for Welbeck
Beating Lineker by just under a foot.
Anthem for Doomed Joey Bartons
Got me numbers all mixed up, didn't I?
By the way, did I hear the commentator say 'that's a record that might not be beaten for all of time'?
... and on that point, of the period since Charlton set the record, Greaves would have broken it if he'd played 10 games more, Lineker very nearly did 20 years ago and now Rooney has. Even though there's nobody currently playing who's out of the teens in terms of goals, someone could easily break the new record in the next decade and a bit (though Kane is the only realistic candidate already in the England team).
Greaves, 'could have' if selected. Not considered good enough. Need to keep that in mind. Greaves, also racked up over 20 goals in 6 games against minnows. Charlton too, helped his total, with at least three hat-tricks in 8-0 thrashings. And he wasn't always a midfielder either. As for Lineker, how many assists has he accrued? Zero would be my guess. Whereas Rooney will have had a shed full. (any stats on that incidentally?)
Finally in terms of total of games v goals Rooney is easily keeping pace with Messi and Ronaldo, the latter also heads his country, for the most goals scored. Now that is the real benchmark. If you think the talent exists world wide to knock them off their perch, or that the 'record will easily be broken in the next decade' then I'd say your mistaken. At 22 Kane is already too old to do it. Shearer remember who I think started around the same age, only got 30.
And I don't hear anyone saying that Kane has the potential to be 50% better than Shearer?
I haven't gone back to check, but I think I read over the last few days that Lineker was 24 when he started for England, so it would certainly be possible for Kane to do it purely in terms of timeframes. Anyway I only mentioned Kane to make the point that there's hardly anyone else in a recent squad who has the chance to near the record. It's most unlikely that anyone WILL break the record in the next 30 years say, particularly as Rooney will add to it, but statistically it's possible that someone will. In other words, getting 50 goals over an international career is pretty dam good, but not all that far ahead of a few others (so far). Rooney's achievement is to have a fairly good goals/games ratio, but to keep going over a long period. It's a great achievement, maybe equivalent to Alistair Cook's England runs record. Something of the Alex Ferguson managerial career about it too. After he started winning thing at United, he slowly became the best ever. Whilst there were exceptional years, with doubles and the treble, his real greatness was doing it for so long.
you can make stats mean a lot (as I intend to do at a later stage, after much research on England's over ranking..haven't read your's yet Lo Siento..as I said, will start a thread, not on the Wales one).
Greaves..probably the best 'goal scorer'..every team he played for, plus the average, and the commentators, fellow players.
Rooney, great player..in an over ranked team, hence his only a couple in finals tournaments since 2004, whilst so many against shite teams England get drawn against qualifying plus in lucrative friendlies. For me, he was let down by the over hyped crap he got shit service from.
Stats again..in comparison to Charlton e.g...were the home internationals classed as competitive?
I bet many England v any of them were more competitive than most of the 4th or 5th ranked teams played in qualifying these days..
Keane has a good claim to be better, in scoring terms only, as he played for a team up against higher seeded opposition, probably being fed less chances (who's gonna do the stats for that?!)
Goals that mattered?..Keane against Germany last minute and Spain in world cup finals
Saw a stat the other day saying Rooney had very few against top 50 sides..but not his fault, more England being shit.
All this shit about being top scorer anyway! Germany have 5 around the 50 mark. Internationally, there's about 50 achieving this..look at Stern John's record!..slaughters a far more renowned player of the same team.
Muller got about 30 in friendlies..but were they really friendlies?
Half the countries Rooney scored against didn't exist at the time of Greaves etc..nor did such athletic defences, interpretation of offside, red card for last ditch tackles.
Does scoring record make a player?..not in my book. Lampard, a late arriver in the box for a billionaire's team, no defensive responsibilities, master of the deflected shot, bet he's got loads of stats..not a great player in any other team. J Jenas for Tottenham, rubbish for most of us, but scored almost all of his goals against the goons, in cup semis, last minute league games..goals that mattered..is that what counts?..whereas Darren bent had great goals to games ratio for us, but was cunted, as he came on as sub for Keane or Berbatov, to get the fourth in a 4-1 win
Stats for assists won't do it either. Heard some goon saying one of their failures had provided more assists the year that Bale was to be sold to Madrid..yeah but an 'assist'requires one of our non strikers to actually score.
What matters is that Rooney is a great player..when the mancs inevitably beat us (Spurs) at home every year, got a player sent off once, he ran over to Fergie, got instructions, and then ran around like a blue arsed fly being winger, wing back, full back for the last half hour..no stats for that..
what a player.
Rooney is probably embarrassed at the furore of such a landmark..3 hour debate tonight on radio on his deservedness of a knighthood. Post imperial declining country at its cringing worst. No other country bothers with this 50 unbelievable stuff.
Ronaldo, playing for a top seeded Portuguese team, for me has never done it for them tournament wise, worse than Rooney, because playing with better players.
The remarkable thing is how no England player, despite being given such fodder given their over ranking (don't bite LS) has got this landmark.
Kane?..has got 3 in something like 4 ? a few as sub? as a Yid, didn't rate him a few years back..nephew played with him at Millwall, where HK struggled to get a regular start..said to me, as a goon, I tell you he's gonna be a player for you..great touch' This was 3 years back, no other yid I know thought that. But, was told, the lad is all football, how he can improve, all the time, every day. and sorry for the media here, we have bypassed being United's feeder club, we go straight to Madrid.
all this 'one season wonder' stuff is true only in that its remarkable how he scored so many different types of goals , made by himself mostly, in a crap team like ours.
None of that laughably over hyped golden generation were great, or world class,
Luke Shaw suffered a double leg break against PSV this evening, potentially bad news for England (as well as being definitely bad news for himself and Man Utd, obviously...).
I don't think the potentially is needed. Ouch.
Boro legend (in the true sense of the word) George Camsell has a pretty good record:
Why did he ever get dropped? I see from wiki he played on for several years after that.
I've wondered this myself. Never found an answer last time I went looking.
hang on, I'll ask on the boro forums.
It is really rather bizarre that the leg-breaker escaped without as much as caution, much less a penalty, a red card and a nine match ban. Especially as ref had lectured including finger wagging Martial for a - push. If that tackle isn't 'reckless' Vinny Jones may well consider a comeback.
Seems it might just have been Dixie Dean getting picked ahead of him, though nothing clearly stating that. Found this too, top bitter:
The First Thirty Years Are The Worst: SLAGGY ISLAND MUST BE MISSING AN ANGEL
Interesting article, cheers!
This made me laugh:
Oh, how times have changed! Then this:
Timely article on the BBC, about Camsell.
George Camsell: The best England striker you never heard of - BBC News
BBC nicking our ideas again
Bleedin' Rooney-ites... coming on here with their pesky facts
In fairness to Charlton and Greaves though, there really weren't that many tournament/qualifier games back in their day
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