England cricket, 2019-20 winter tours

Discussion in 'general sports' started by Santino, Nov 21, 2019.

  1. Casual Observer

    Casual Observer binoculars

    One good thing to come out of the match was the commentators discussing the documentary Free Solo during a period of play when not much was happening. I watched the film the next day. It's a low budget, high grossing, high tension belter. Highly recommended.
     
  2. SpookyFrank

    SpookyFrank Self-cleaning oven, the whole bit.

    Root's batting is shot. The choice as I see it is keep him as captain for another year until he doesn't even warrant a place in the team, or give the captaincy to someone else and give him the chance to find his feet again as a specialist batsman.
     
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  3. planetgeli

    planetgeli There's no future in England's dreaming

    Seen it twice, great doc film. Much better than the England cricket team. You can throw a load of money at a team but all you get are overpaid average players.
     
  4. littlebabyjesus

    littlebabyjesus one of Maxwell's demons

    They need to find a way to take the captaincy off him before South Africa. Thing is, he's not a very good captain either, tbh.
     
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  5. littlebabyjesus

    littlebabyjesus one of Maxwell's demons

    Yeah, totally. To give this series some financial context, England's players are on approximately five times more money than New Zealand's players.
     
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  6. Casual Observer

    Casual Observer binoculars

    Talking of sports documentaries, and more in keeping with this thread, The Edge is good if you haven't seen it. This is the English cricket documentary covering the Andy Flower era. The narration from the usually excellent Toby Jones is a bit overbearing early on, but you'll feel some love for Trotty by the end of the film.
     
  7. littlebabyjesus

    littlebabyjesus one of Maxwell's demons

    So we see the importance England attach to wicketkeeping. Buttler injured so Pope comes in after just five first class games as keeper. No Leach, so he won't be exposed by standing up much, at least. Do England actually have a clue what they're doing, though? Why not have a reserve keeper? Just makes no sense.
     
  8. butchersapron

    butchersapron blood on the walls

    Kane w gone to woakes. Caught root. Maybe the only good thing he'll do this test.
     
  9. littlebabyjesus

    littlebabyjesus one of Maxwell's demons

    Good ball, great catch. Two early scalps, but this is not a bad wicket to bat on.
     
  10. littlebabyjesus

    littlebabyjesus one of Maxwell's demons

    Another Dharmasena clanger. That was always outside leg.

    The non-striking batsman actually called the review on that one. After about half a second.
     
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  11. littlebabyjesus

    littlebabyjesus one of Maxwell's demons

    Stokes not had a bowl yet. Curran's so gentle, it's swinging almost right from the hand, Graham Gooch-style. Stokes might have been effective in muggy, swinging conditions.
     
  12. Casual Observer

    Casual Observer binoculars

    Pope missed most of last season with a dislocated shoulder. Not good to have a makeshift keeper diving about on a newly mended bit of skeleton.
     
  13. butchersapron

    butchersapron blood on the walls

    They creakin
     
  14. butchersapron

    butchersapron blood on the walls

    Denly as a bowler but not jack as a batsmen. I need bed.
     
  15. littlebabyjesus

    littlebabyjesus one of Maxwell's demons

    Starting to hate BJ Watling. They're a proper test team, NZ.
     
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  16. planetgeli

    planetgeli There's no future in England's dreaming

    Haven't seen any of it but I've caught the back end of two news reports talking up an England win ("we need to bat once and bat big" - yeah, go on then Stuart). So I checked the score. WTF? That's staring defeat down the barrel isn't it? Where are these magic runs going to come from?
     
  17. littlebabyjesus

    littlebabyjesus one of Maxwell's demons

    Most worrying thing is that England looked toothless (even Archer) following a decent first hour, then NZ come on to bowl and suddenly it's doing plenty. I know speed isn't everything, and NZ aren't the quickest, but being at your top speed, whatever that may be, is important. England haven't been, either here or in the first test. They've blatantly been misusing Archer, the effects of last week probably playing their part in his speeds here. And I still don't think Sam Curran is a test bowler. To cut it at under 80 mph you've got to be rather special - Mohammed Asif-style. Curran doesn't have the skills of Mohammed Asif.
     
  18. planetgeli

    planetgeli There's no future in England's dreaming

    Well that's better. Still a match-saving performance than a match winning one because we aren't getting a lead on 1st innings. And they'll still have to bat again. But better. Joe Root - who knew?
     
  19. Spymaster

    Spymaster Cockney Wanker

    Better but rain is forecast. I want to see Byrne’s run out.
     
  20. SpookyFrank

    SpookyFrank Self-cleaning oven, the whole bit.

    Joe Root, as it turns out.
     
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  21. littlebabyjesus

    littlebabyjesus one of Maxwell's demons

    So a slightly shambolic end, first Pope then Denly dropping Williamson. Pope put down two chances in the game, one tough but gettable by a keeper with better technique, the other a very bad miss.

    Root making positive noises in public about being proud of the team. I'm getting a bit fed up with this relentless positivity in the face of mediocre performances. Bairstow was being touted as one of the best batsmen in the world the other week. No, he isn't. That's why is record is as it is.

    I know why these noises are made, but I'd like to hear some realism in there - eg Pope as keeper didn't cut it, mistake to try it sorry; praise Pope for his application in second test, but criticise him for his part in the defeat in the first; be disappointed, first and foremost, by a series defeat in which you were outplayed. There are more negatives than positives from this tour - be honest about that. Series defeat was due to batting deficiencies, and won't even come near to a series win without finding a way to be more penetrating with the ball. That's the honest truth.
     
  22. planetgeli

    planetgeli There's no future in England's dreaming

    Good grief.



    Plus first calendar year since 1999 without a test series victory. Yeah, that went well.

    At least they’re looking at bringing back Keaton for Sri Lanka. I think it’s Jennings but it might be Buster.
     
  23. a_chap

    a_chap When the world came apart, where were you?

    To be fair to Denly:

    1. it wouldn't have made any difference to the match outcome
    2. He can catch...
     
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  24. butchersapron

    butchersapron blood on the walls

  25. Casual Observer

    Casual Observer binoculars

    A bad shafting, yes, but not as bad as the shafting of Ben Foakes.
     
  26. Monkeygrinder's Organ

    Monkeygrinder's Organ Dodgy geezer swilling vapid lager

    I think what the Pope thing shows is them not taking the series seriously enough tbh. It's not that they see him as a future keeper (so in a sense it doesn't really matter if he wasn't quite up to it), it's more 'well he'll do at a pinch, it's only two tests in NZ.'
     
  27. butchersapron

    butchersapron blood on the walls

    Worst Jacobean play ever.
     
  28. SpookyFrank

    SpookyFrank Self-cleaning oven, the whole bit.

    Whilst I agree that all tests at this point should be seen as vital opportunities to rebuild the side for the long term, these two-test tours are shite. I would have loved to see a proper series in New Zealand, and not just because antipodean winter tours are great for insomniac cricket fans like me.
     
  29. planetgeli

    planetgeli There's no future in England's dreaming

    “It’s only two tests in NZ that don’t count towards the world test championship” probably too.

    LOL at butchersapron post too btw.
     
  30. planetgeli

    planetgeli There's no future in England's dreaming

    It’s a tragedy.
     

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