The last bunch of car-hating town councillors (summarily ejected at the last poll) spent 10 Million on a guided busway in Edinburgh. An abject waste of money - the bus shudders along as speeds of up to 20MPH. They could have got a load of pikeys in to lay down some private roads for ten grand but oh no, we had to have state of the art training wheels sticking out of the sides of buses - transport consultants - eh? what would we do without them (apart from save loads of time and public money).
End of the line for Hummer cockmobiles?
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The last bunch of car-hating town councillors (summarily ejected at the last poll) spent 10 Million on a guided busway in Edinburgh. An abject waste of money - the bus shudders along as speeds of up to 20MPH. They could have got a load of pikeys in to lay down some private roads for ten grand but oh no, we had to have state of the art training wheels sticking out of the sides of buses - transport consultants - eh? what would we do without them (apart from save loads of time and public money).
The civvy Hummer is a complete crock of shit. Horrendously overpriced for what you get, and doesn't compare to the military version. I can't see how folks have managed to roll the military version because it is amazingly wide, though I wouldn't put it past most squaddies to try, they like a dare. Undoubtably the best all-round 4x4 is the Landrover. All others are plastic-y wastes of space. It may not be elegant, or the most efficient, but I seriously doubt that there are many of the new breed 4x4s that will have the livetime of the old Series III. There are Landies kicking around that are almost as old as me (and that is saying something). Seriously good value for money, if you look after the poor bugger.
I still wouldn't get one myself. I don't have the need to go cross country driving. Going cross country is what legs were invented for.
I still wouldn't get one myself. I don't have the need to go cross country driving. Going cross country is what legs were invented for.
Dhimmi
Half Man Half HobNob
Nahhh, 16 is the number of passengers you need to have the CO² output per passenger kilometre at a third of that of cars.
Here's a little linky to a bus company handout.
Scroll down a bit.
It's in vibrant but I think the point is clear .
http://www.mvg-mobil.de/pdf-dateien/kundenmagazin/MVG-Kundenmagazin_Linie8_14_s.pdf
Gixxer1000
cant wheelie a shaftie :(
Ok thanks, crap maths says original claim should be 6 passengers per bus then.
ExtraRefined
Better than you at everything you love
Lots of the ones which run late or early, especially in the suburbs.
I think there is a figure often bandied about that 75% of all Ladndrovers (old-style Defender types) are still on the road.
Bloody astonishing when you think how long they've been produced for, I doubt any other model, 4x4 or otherwise comes close.
I'm not sure on the "lots", it's a small minority of all bus passenger miles.
And in those cases it applies, it's increased mobility, the bus will be fuller at some point along itss journey and many of those passengers will change onto another.
Gixxer1000
cant wheelie a shaftie :(
You made a claim that was 300% out
And yes I often see buses which are completely empty in Central London. Id be interested to see how many miles are accrued in this state as part of the logistics of running a bus service, and whether they are included in this simplistic carbons per passenger mile, Im guessing they arent
Gixxer1000
cant wheelie a shaftie :(
Probably due to the requirement to meet increasing emissions/safety legislation.
You asked for stats Gixxer and you got them.
I made a mistake of saying "a couple" when it was six, so sorry
Whether commercially or contracted, I'd wager that buses don't run routes where the total CO² output per passenger kilometre is higher than a private car.
The minute a seventh passenger joins the journey it is less.
The minute one passenger changes to another service it is less.
Buses are cleaner for CO² than cars on average. And every passenger over makes them cleaner still. And how many buses do you see with less than six passengers?
Oh yeah. And one of the challenges for timetable writers is NOT to accrue any mileage that is non passenger carrying.
That is the reason you see slight route deviations to the timetable at the edges of the peaks and between off-peak and early / later services.
I made a mistake of saying "a couple" when it was six, so sorry
Whether commercially or contracted, I'd wager that buses don't run routes where the total CO² output per passenger kilometre is higher than a private car.
The minute a seventh passenger joins the journey it is less.
The minute one passenger changes to another service it is less.
Buses are cleaner for CO² than cars on average. And every passenger over makes them cleaner still. And how many buses do you see with less than six passengers?
Oh yeah. And one of the challenges for timetable writers is NOT to accrue any mileage that is non passenger carrying.
That is the reason you see slight route deviations to the timetable at the edges of the peaks and between off-peak and early / later services.
And artics? Mind you, a while ago you were saying nothing bigger than a coach and four should be driven around cities. Guess you must have realised that's about the same length as a bus.
Apart from anything else, there's a lot less room to drive in Edinburgh at the moment thanks to the God forsaken Tram works (£500M to replace a No. 22 bus).
Gixxer1000
cant wheelie a shaftie :(
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Buses don't need to around the neighbourhood endlessly trying to find a spot to park either, unlike cars. Which tilts the balance of efficiency further towards buses.
It is said 1 in every 5 cars on the road in Central London is not travelling anywhere but looking for a parking space. There is probably a similar story in other busy town and city centres.
It is said 1 in every 5 cars on the road in Central London is not travelling anywhere but looking for a parking space. There is probably a similar story in other busy town and city centres.
G. Fieendish
Snark Hunter
Just in case, you are interested in what would happen if the bus lane network was expanded. The Bus Rapid Transit lanes built in Curitiba Brazil in the early 1970's, replaced near gridlocked roads with efficient mass transit at a fraction of the cost of building an underground system.
Sao Paulo operates a similar system, to Curitiba, in that express Bus lanes are used to act as a mass transit system, in liew of a Underground system...
Sao Paulo currently uses 300 passenger single decker "bendy buses", manafactured by Volvo for the job...
If you could tell me which bus routes, I'd move to there.
Where I live, the *many* bus routes are always looking well-occupied.
If you can't tell us which routes, I call bullshit.
Wolveryeti
Detty Pig
I must concur. In fact in the past year, I was regularly surprised at the frequency at which I saw partially full buses even at ridiculous hours such as 5 in the morning (no - not just on a weekend).
Sao Paulo operates a similar system, to Curitiba, in that express Bus lanes are used to act as a mass transit system, in liew of a Underground system...
Sao Paulo currently uses 300 passenger single decker "bendy buses", manafactured by Volvo for the job...
I'm pretty sure Sao Paulo has one of the most extensive underground systems in the world, unless my memory is fucked. Also they are building an extensive system in Rio.
OK, no offence meant
Diesel vehicles emit next to no CO² anyway
However their N02 output is shocking and the particulates that are spewed out will never be sold as a health supplement.
dylanredefined
Not a house elf a tiger
I have to admit if my lottery numbers came up would be banging on landrovers dealers door in seconds .I know there impractical and enviormental unfreindly still want one 
.probably drive it for a week then buy something
more practical like a decent estate car.
Hummvees can roll quite easily though it helps to have an idiot driving one.
.probably drive it for a week then buy something more practical like a decent estate car.
Hummvees can roll quite easily though it helps to have an idiot driving one.
With catalytic converters you can cut down the other nasties too.
My local bus operator already has it's fleet on Euro 4 standard for particulates and the newest buses on the not yet in force Euro 5 standard.
And of courrse, as with the CO² output, divide the output by the passengers and the output per passenger kilometre is lower- I'd wager by a significant ammount.
whether commerical or contracted, empty buses are VERY few and far between and there are options to keep an area supplied with buses where the overall demand is week. eg Dial a bus etc.
landies and shit do last, even of their gas output is well iffy, but when you consider the energy consumed ( and gases produced ) in banging our new euroboxes to create a fashion driven market, then maybe logically its better to keep the old healthy cars going for as long as possible
another reason why landies last is that they dont do many miles- a short motorway journey in a landie soon cures your likely wanderlust
another reason why landies last is that they dont do many miles- a short motorway journey in a landie soon cures your likely wanderlust
dylanredefined
Not a house elf a tiger
another reason why landies last is that they dont do many miles- a short motorway journey in a landie soon cures your likely wanderlust[/QUOTE]
And a long one is a torture .
And a long one is a torture .
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