Emo - whats all THAT about?

[smmudge]

but they *do* identify with it, so....?

Emo fashion (which again, has had many incarnations) most recently just merged a lot of trends into a mainstream influence. Its not being 'sold' back to kids, it was always for sale. Its fucking clothes and haircuts, how could it NOT be for sale? How could any youth subculture not be 'for sale' at some level? Did the punks kill and skin cows to make their leather jackets? Did the mods tailor their own suits?

and Jimmy Eat World's last UK tour sold out this year.

But it's an identity constructed entirely through the mainstream, through advertising, with the intention of making shed loads of money. A counter culture is supposed to challenge the mainstream, but 'emo' doesn't.

 

[Dillinger4]

Could you give me an example of a counter-culture?

 

[smmudge]

Dada?

 

[butchersapron]

Not a culture.

 

[smmudge]

It had its own art, literature, music and philosophies...how is it not a culture?

Ok then...grunge.

 

[Dillinger4]

Grunge was a counter-culture?

 

[butchersapron]

It had its own art, literature, music and philosophies...how is it not a culture?

Ok then...grunge.

What do think a culture is? Dada was dead ther second it existed btw.

 

[Dillinger4]

The whole idea of a 'counter-culture' is bullshit.

IMO.

 

[butchersapron]

The whole idea of a 'counter-culture' is bullshit.

IMO.

I think there could have bene one 2000 years ago, but today? Nope.

 

[Dillinger4]

especially the idea of a 'counter-culture' attached to 'youth movements' or whatever.

*vomits*

 

[smmudge]

Grunge was a counter-culture?

Sure, before that got assimilated too.

Dada was dead ther second it existed btw.

That was the point; it was a decadent culture.

especially the idea of a 'counter-culture' attached to 'youth movements' or whatever.

*vomits*

Hegemony does that to you

 

[Dillinger4]

Hegemony does that to you

Hegemony does what?

 

[butchersapron]

Sure, before that got assimilated too.

No it wasn't

That was the point; it was a decadent culture.

This is meaningless. What was 'a decadent culture.'? The war on culture of dada or dada itself??

Hegemony does that to you

You'll cut yourself on these words.

 

[smmudge]

What do you think a culture is?

 

[Funky_monks]

Wasn't emo one of the muppets?

 

[FridgeMagnet]

There is no way "grunge" was a culture, let alone a counter-culture.

 

[butchersapron]

Ity ain't just a load of things that you like.

 

[Dillinger4]

Can you tell me what hegemony is doing to me, please?

 

[Dillinger4]

Ity ain't just a load of things that you like.

Agreed.

If you want to pick examples, there are better ones. But the claim is still false.

 

[smmudge]

Ity ain't just a load of things that you like.

Absolutely.

There is no way "grunge" was a culture, let alone a counter-culture.

What about when it was just bands in the Seattle area expressing themselves? You know, before Nirvana signed to Geffen.

 

[butchersapron]

What about when it was just bands in the Seattle area expressing themselves? You know, before Nirvana signed to Geffen.

Esp not then.

 

[Dillinger4]

.

 

[loud 1]

 

[Dillinger4]

What about when it was just bands in the Seattle area expressing themselves? You know, before Nirvana signed to Geffen.

Your joking, right?

 

[butchersapron]

This is a hard argument. Smuudge, was seattle a culture or a counter-culture? What are the identifying marks?

 

[Dillinger4]

I am still wondering what hegemony is doing to me.

 

[smmudge]

A counter culture - it parodied the mainstream, it developed its own sound and musical techniques and, most importantly, it had its own ideals.

 

[butchersapron]

A counter culture - it parodied the mainstream, it developed its own sound and musical techniques and, most importantly, it had its own ideals.

Are these the marks of a counter culture?

Mainstream culture does all these.

I'm sorry, i'm not being rude on purpose, but the things you say are meaningless. 'musical techniques'?

I can see why you might call what happened over there for a very short time (and that's one reason it's not a culture) a counter culture, it's easy journalese, it's easy to describe an ongoing thing in those terms. But a counter-culture means more than that, it means a set up where millions of you can live and survive in a different way - the hippies had it (it didn''t challenge the dominant culture, it supported it, but it was a culture). It doesn't mean a load of people and bands who get on/like each/other

 

[Sturdy Wrists]

Whats Emo? Emotional Punk Rock? Then I like it. Just another lazy ass label by fucktard music journalists. What is considered Emo? Jawbreaker? Hell yea! Jets To Brazil? Hell yea! Get Up Kids? Hell yea! Converge? Hell yea! DLJ? Hell yea! Black Flag? Hell yea! Leatherface? Hell yea! Buzzcocks? Course!

Pointless label innit?

 

[Taxamo Welf]

Is emo sexist?

In October 2003, a Punk Planet gaylord who thought his opinion mattered, when it does not, leveled the charge that the current era of emo was sexist. Hopper, who thinks punk zines are serious business, argued that where bands such as Queen, Mike and the Mechanics and Bananarama had characterized women in such a way that they were not "pictures made by gluing pasta on to red card",[32] contemporary bands approached relationship issues by "walking towards them at a steady pace humming gently and swaying from side to side." He added that ever since he'd realised what a failure at life he was, the punk scene had given him the perfect hugbox subculture where DIY meant he could self publish his musings and half convince himself it mattered to someone else what he thought about MUSIC FOR FUCKING TEENAGERS THAT CAME OUT IN THE 80s

fix'd