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[LLETSA]

Politics for Beginners

So basically it would be like an everlasting local goverment meeting when they talk until the cows come home & fuck all ever happens & the streets are still dirty. In the real world where 99.9% of us live, you need people to make the decisions. In a dictatorship that is done by those who have the most guns & are the most nasty, in a democracy it is done by those representing us & they are choosen by public ballot. It is not a complusary ballot you can choose to vote or not or even choose if you want a vote, but you have that choice.

Going off your last couple of posts, you've just done your Politics GCSE?

 

[mk12]

So basically it would be like an everlasting local goverment meeting when they talk until the cows come home & fuck all ever happens & the streets are still dirty. In the real world where 99.9% of us live, you need people to make the decisions. In a dictatorship that is done by those who have the most guns & are the most nasty, in a democracy it is done by those representing us & they are choosen by public ballot. It is not a complusary ballot you can choose to vote or not or even choose if you want a vote, but you have that choice.

There are historical examples of this happening though (direct democracy). You know, historical examples in the real world.

 

[Chuck Wilson]

If this involved people working in autonomous groups to reach a consensus decision making process, that involves self management of there own lifes.
I think it would be positive. Putting an x on a bit of paper is symbolic and offers little or no control over your own self determination.

Quite agree with the latter sentence, waiting every five years for five seconds of democracy isn't my idea of demcracy. But before you line up Workers Power whose position was to call for a boycott of the last general election and whose membership on here have recently announced they consider themselves to be " one of the better trots on here" hang on.

I can see where you are heading but you are past the horizon of where most of us are at. What we need is not less elections but more especially in large public services for example in local health services and police services.What we might want in buisiness is the vote of workers or in football clubs the votes of supporters.And I would also suggest that we need to hold those elected in the present system to account.

Isn't it the case that radical changes in society normally involve more people in democratic decision making than when there is a lull?

 

[IMHO]

You really should think before you say things you know. Otherwise, all of your friends will start wearing "I'm With Stupid" t-shirts, and you won't know why.

You would be absolutely right if I wasn't being sarcastic. I'm ACTUALLY with the 98%.

 

[Andy the Don]

Going off your last couple of posts, you've just done your Politics GCSE?

No in my time we did o'levels, something worth achieving.

 

[Andy the Don]

There are historical examples of this happening though (direct democracy). You know, historical examples in the real world.

Maybe in a local setting, but in a regional, national or global setting it would not be feasible.

 

[Sorry.]

Maybe in a local setting, but in a regional, national or global setting it would not be feasible.

Good'oh. Glad we've sorted that out.

 

[Bob_the_lost]

Good'oh. Glad we've sorted that out.

Excellent, you CAN still learn, even at your advanced age. Good that you've accepted it, now give up your job and join the capitalist future!

 

[Sorry.]

Excellent, you CAN still learn, even at your advanced age. Good that you've accepted it, now give up your job and join the capitalist future!

nah, if I'm not allowed direct democracy the only alternative is a global communist dictatorship presided over by me.

*wags finger at humanity* so you better make it work, you buggers!

 

[Andy the Don]

nah, if I'm not allowed direct democracy the only alternative is a global communist dictatorship presided over by me.

*wags finger at humanity* so you better make it work, you buggers!

If you become leader of the global communist dictatorship, can I be your Beria..??
Please I can provide references.. good at pulling out finger nails, neck shooting counter revolutionaries & getting you the best ballerinas form the national ballet..

 

[Sorry.]

If you become leader of the global communist dictatorship, can I be your Beria..??
Please I can provide references.. good at pulling out finger nails, neck shooting counter revolutionaries & getting you the best ballerinas form the national ballet..

I wouldn't have thought Beria was directly responsible for the torture, neck-shotting et al. Just a lot of list-writing. Maybe Bristle could do it?

 

[Andy the Don]

I wouldn't have thought Beria was directly responsible for the torture, neck-shotting et al. Just a lot of list-writing. Maybe Bristle could do it?

I can do lists.. I'm very good at lists..

 

[Herbert Read]

In English please, Herbert.

I credit you with some intelligence LLETSA and i mean 'some'

 

[Sorry.]

I can do lists.. I'm very good at lists..

you can mind the dacha if you like, not head dacha minder link, one of the go-fers.

 

[Herbert Read]

Quite agree with the latter sentence, waiting every five years for five seconds of democracy isn't my idea of demcracy. But before you line up Workers Power whose position was to call for a boycott of the last general election and whose membership on here have recently announced they consider themselves to be " one of the better trots on here" hang on.

I can see where you are heading but you are past the horizon of where most of us are at. What we need is not less elections but more especially in large public services for example in local health services and police services.What we might want in buisiness is the vote of workers or in football clubs the votes of supporters.And I would also suggest that we need to hold those elected in the present system to account.

Isn't it the case that radical changes in society normally involve more people in democratic decision making than when there is a lull?

Firstly better 'trots' you really cant compare different clours of shite. Or maybe you can

In practice i agree with mass work place voting and participation in daily life. I dont agree with dual power sharing and i would not want mass workplace voting to lead to a workers state. Dual power sharing in work and services such as the police leaves open the control of the ruling elite and gives legtimacy to the capatalist stytem through its inclusion. Radical action must be used to destroy existing power structures not colloborate with them. this is one of the primary failures of the left, throughout history.

i would prefer participatory democracy to be consensus based and not involve electing officials to speak on the people behalf.

 

[LLETSA]

No in my time we did o'levels, something worth achieving.

What did you get? An A in Simplisticness?

 

[LLETSA]

Friday funtime

In practice i agree with mass work place voting and participation in daily life. I dont agree with dual power sharing and i would not want mass workplace voting to lead to a workers state.

Dont worry-it wouldn't.

 

[LLETSA]

In practice i agree with....participation in daily life.

Comes highly recommended.

You're a long time dead.

 

[Herbert Read]

Dont worry-it wouldn't.

I didnt know you were now for a stateless society

 

[LLETSA]

Radical action must be used to destroy existing power structures not colloborate with them. this is one of the primary failures of the left, throughout history.

All the Communist-led revolutions and seizures of power 'destroyed existing power structures.'

 

[LLETSA]

Been in the pub lunchtime?

I didnt know you were now for a stateless society

Eh?

 

[Herbert Read]

Comes highly recommended.

You're a long time dead.

Whatever.. pathetic but made me giggle.

 

[Herbert Read]

All the Communist-led revolutions and seizures of power 'destroyed existing power structures.'

destroyed a state and created a state.....swapsies really

 

[LLETSA]

destroyed a state and created a state.....swapsies really

And?

 

[Herbert Read]

And?

What, its not really destroying existing power structures but re branding so to speak.