Election manifesto

[platinumsage]

Just allow wild camping during Greenwich Mean Time, that should filter the wrong sort of people out.

Sounds like a policy for the OMRLP manifesto

 

[Louis MacNeice]

That doesn't help if you are in the wild, a mile from the nearest toilet. Plus, access to the National Parks is banned, just wild camping due to people being irresponsible.

No it's not due to people being irresponsible. It's much more about a few people being weirdly greedy and possessive. As I said treat people well and they will behave well.

Cheers - Louis MacNeice

 

[Louis MacNeice]

Just allow wild camping during Greenwich Mean Time, that should filter the wrong sort of people out.

Sounds like a policy for the OMRLP manifesto

Sort of what they said about state pensions back in the day; historical perspective is a wonderful thing.

Cheers - Louis MacNeice

 

[Puddy_Tat]

Sounds like a policy for the OMRLP manifesto

a few years ago, there was something either online or in one of the papers with some bits from manifestos, and you had to guess which was UKIP and which was MRLP - generally, the saner ones were MRLP...

 

[_Russ_]

1. Massive green council homes building programme.

I recently flew over some fields I used to play in as a child (flood plain next to a river but besides the point), now about 100acres of muddy mess to build houses on, made me quite upset tbh.
Massive house building programme and green dont really go together in my mind (I know you probably mean greener than some other method of building whatever the fuck that is)

 

[_Russ_]

A few years ago I enjoyed the experience of running across Dartmoor under a brilliant full moon. A definite life time memory. We should all have access to these spaces.

Cheers - Louis MacNeice

What about this massive green building programme?

 

[Flavour]

Ban Private Schools

Ban ownership of more than two homes

Ban buy-to-let.

Ban all new fossil fuel projects

Bring back rationing for heavy-emissions products (particularly meat like beef and lamb)

Abolish the monarchy and the Commonwealth

Abolish the Commonwealth Games

Heavily subsidize bicycles (no VAT, for instance), increase bike lane network threefold

Repatriate everything in the British Museum and other collections of stolen colonial loot

Ban zoos

 

[Louis MacNeice]

I recently flew over some fields I used to play in as a child (flood plain next to a river but besides the point), now about 100acres of muddy mess to build houses on, made me quite upset tbh.
Massive house building programme and green dont really go together in my mind (I know you probably mean greener than some other method of building whatever the fuck that is)

They can do and they need to for housing, for the environment and for jobs.

Cheers - Louis MacNeice

 

[Louis MacNeice]

What about this massive green building programme?

How does that affect running over Dartmoor by moonlight?

Cheers - Louis MacNeice

 

[newme]

I mean does anyone actually read these things? They just lie anyway, I simply vote against the Tories every election or against Brexit when that was the case, so far I have lost every one locally even voting tactically. It does make me concerned about those in my local area however.

 

[kenny g]

That doesn't help if you are in the wild, a mile from the nearest toilet. Plus, access to the National Parks is banned, just wild camping due to people being irresponsible.

Hope this thread hasn't turned to turd.

 

[kenny g]

Just allow wild camping during Greenwich Mean Time, that should filter the wrong sort of people out.

Sounds like a policy for the OMRLP manifesto

Not sure what Greenwich Mean Time has to do with anything sage..

 

[platinumsage]

Not sure what Greenwich Mean Time has to do with anything sage..

It would force would-be summer wild campers to support the abolition of BST

 

[redsquirrel]

Free cream buns with lashings of ginger beer.

TBH that probably would get me voting, especially if the ginger beer was swapped for trad lemonade

 

[Cid]

I recently flew over some fields I used to play in as a child (flood plain next to a river but besides the point), now about 100acres of muddy mess to build houses on, made me quite upset tbh.
Massive house building programme and green dont really go together in my mind (I know you probably mean greener than some other method of building whatever the fuck that is)

Well people do need places to live.

 

[LDC]

My take on house building is firstly we'd requisition second homes and other empty but already habitable places, then refurbish derelict houses, then convert some offices/workplaces freed up from the change in working, and only then think about building new homes.

 

[newme]

My take on house building is firstly we'd requisition second homes and other empty but already habitable places, then refurbish derelict houses, then convert some offices/workplaces freed up from the change in working, and only then think about building new homes.

I like the Welsh approach as a good start. We have a massive second homes issue in Cornwall and some basically dead towns and villages because of it.
However not continually building unaffordable houses would also be useful, the only housing development I have seen that got flat our turned down lately was 100% affordable/social. Which seems weird since its what people keep asking for.

Locally we got a 2 new estates til the school was over capacity (one guy who can actually see the school from his house had his daughter initially rejected til there was an appeal), now we have 3 new over 55 only estates instead.

 

[Dom Traynor]

Let's lynch the landlord.

 

[platinumsage]

My take on house building is firstly we'd requisition second homes and other empty but already habitable places, then refurbish derelict houses, then convert some offices/workplaces freed up from the change in working, and only then think about building new homes.

The first one would be quick, but the next two would be slower, more expensive, and result in worse quality housing than simply starting properly planned developments on greenfield sites.

 

[DownwardDog]

Found lots of shit in lay-bys in Belgium. Presumably we shouldn't ban lay-bys? My takeaway was there should be public toilets available in lay-bys rather than banning public access to the countryside.

We got down to a remarkably granular level of policy formulation very rapidly in this discussion.

In the unfettered latitude to formulate any possible political or philosophical position we ended up on 'human shit" and 'shall we ban lay-bys' on page 2.

 

[quiet guy]

We got down to a remarkably granular level of policy formulation very rapidly in this discussion.

In the unfettered latitude to formulate any possible political or philosophical position we ended up on 'human shit" and 'shall we ban lay-bys' on page 2.

The nitty gritty of local politics for local people

 

[Cid]

My take on house building is firstly we'd requisition second homes and other empty but already habitable places, then refurbish derelict houses, then convert some offices/workplaces freed up from the change in working, and only then think about building new homes.

We need good quality social housing in major cities though... Restrictions on second homes will impact that, sure, but don't think it's a solution. Restrictions on ownership as investment, empty homes etc would be good, though also I think far from a solution... Part of it is the slight issue that a huge amount of our housing is just shit, and ideally would be replaced/rebuilt. There's a limited amount you can do efficiently with old housing stock in terms of making it energy efficient, comfortable and not too expensive to maintain. Office blocks highly dependent on how the block was built on whether it would be suitable for repurposing. I tend to think housing should be built as housing; it has different requirements in terms of light, safety, ventilation, communal spaces etc. Though certainly it's viable.

 

[kenny g]

If non cheap housing is built it still increases the general stock of housing allowing people to then free up cheaper housing as they move up the housing ladder.

 

[danny la rouge]

If non cheap housing is built it still increases the general stock of housing allowing people to then free up cheaper housing as they move up the housing ladder.

We aren’t at a place where there’s so much supply that lack of demand pushes down prices, even in lower price brackets. The only “low cost” housing being built is student flats.

 

[Puddy_Tat]

If non cheap housing is built it still increases the general stock of housing allowing people to then free up cheaper housing as they move up the housing ladder.

that doesn't seem to have worked for the last 40 years or so...

 

[kenny g]

True. Because not enough houses of any kind are being built

 

[LDC]

All this depends on the contraints we're giving ourselves when we're thinking about this though doesn't it? I mean somewhere we're treading some imagined pragmatic line about what would be possible under the current system otherwise I think places like Chatsworth House, Windsor Castle, Buckingham Palace, etc, could get plenty of spacious flats fitted in.

 

[LDC]

The first one would be quick, but the next two would be slower, more expensive, and result in worse quality housing than simply starting properly planned developments on greenfield sites.

Nonsense about it being lower quality housing, it would just depend on the quality of the work done. I suspect you're just beating the same drum you always do which is some mash-up of the resident dogmatic U75 contrarian or something.

 

[LDC]

We need good quality social housing in major cities though... Restrictions on second homes will impact that, sure, but don't think it's a solution. Restrictions on ownership as investment, empty homes etc would be good, though also I think far from a solution... Part of it is the slight issue that a huge amount of our housing is just shit, and ideally would be replaced/rebuilt. There's a limited amount you can do efficiently with old housing stock in terms of making it energy efficient, comfortable and not too expensive to maintain. Office blocks highly dependent on how the block was built on whether it would be suitable for repurposing. I tend to think housing should be built as housing; it has different requirements in terms of light, safety, ventilation, communal spaces etc. Though certainly it's viable.

All of which would be entirely possible if there was the will to do so.

We could house everyone in a decent quality and appropriately sized home in a very short space of time if the political will and power was moved to do so.

 

[LDC]

“After more than a decade of intense housing crisis it is shocking to see long-term empty homes in England rise to 257,331."

...and...

"By the end of 2021, 227,000 households across Britain were experiencing the worst forms of homelessness."

There you go; 257,000 homes and 227,000 homeless. A free home for those that don't have one now with some left over. And we haven't even got started on second homes, seizing rental properties, etc.