Egypt anti-government protests grow

Discussion in 'world politics, current affairs and news' started by stuff_it, Jan 25, 2011.

  1. FNG

    FNG It Takes A Nation Of Bloggers


    Help me out here, the way the article is worded suggests the quota survived in Morsi's constitution in its rotten gerrymandered form susceptable to being packed with ruling party apparatchiks and large land barons whose interests are at conflict with the people it is supposed to represent?
  2. elbows

    elbows WoeTimer

    So the Egyptian-specific version of AlJazeera, along with some other channels, have formally been banned from broadcasting. And AlJazeera's main channel has been having its satellite signals jammed in Egypt since a few days after the coup. According to their investigation this is being done by a number of military related locations.
  3. teqniq

    teqniq DisMembered

    Egypt decides to dissolve Brotherhood NGO

    and news from yesterday:

    British teenager loses leg in Cairo bomb attack

    The intended target was the minister for the interior Mohammed Ibrahim, I think it's reasonable to expect more bomb attacks.
  4. butchersapron

    butchersapron blood on the walls

    the NGO bit is important in the first one - not because it means anything but because it clearly indicates (as if we need it any more) the army telling them the game is up. The free officers state is back in political control and for the MB to go back t its social work function and rebuild it will need to grovel for a long time then agree to play a certain role. Don't know if the excellent pessimistic piece in the new LRB has been posted yet, if not, do read.
    FNG and yield like this.
  5. FNG

    FNG It Takes A Nation Of Bloggers

  6. FNG

    FNG It Takes A Nation Of Bloggers

  7. yield

    yield zero

    Really good article. The Muslim Brotherhood is broken. Salafi Hizb al-Nour came second in the elections are they going to take over their role?

  8. FNG

    FNG It Takes A Nation Of Bloggers

    Its hard to call, how do you mean take over their role? If you mean will they be hoping to pick up disenfranchised members and votes, in the first instance its unlikely they have traditionally had a turbulent relationship with the muslim brotherhood culminating in violent clashes on campus,any mass enrolment of former mb members may well be viewed with both suspicion and enmity.
    if you mean the latter it is a matter of wait and see, al-nour until have a longstanding policy of non participation in democratic procedure which they view as unislamic,coupled with their support and participation for morsi's ousters means the rump of the MB faithful will likely view A-N as wreckers and traitors.

    What that means in the long term is do Al-Nour believe they have more to gain inside or outside the democratic process? At the moment most of their leverage, in for instance the 50 man constitution redrafting negotiations comes from exploiting that uncertainty in order to gain favourable concessions.Their non participation in upcoming elections would mean that the two parties that polled over 65% of the presidential vote would be unrepresented at the forthcoming election.

    At the end of the day it comes down to a judgement call, Al-Nour see the democratic process as a means to an end rather than an end in itself, they will look to what happened to morsi in power and the political compromises he had to make and how quickly the SSI turned upon him when he began implementing what al nour would consider their long term goals sharia, shura and all that.Worth remembering,in the coming days that Al-Nour are more hardline with regards to the role of women and religious minorities.

    If on the other hand you mean take on the role of Bogeyman to justify further repression this is unlikely as the remnants of mb and emerging Sinai nationalist groups are likely to be more than adequate to push any necessary security measures through parliament.

    If you mean in their role as providers of social welfare for the disenfranchised then that is something that both groups consider core to their tenets, it is where much of their rivalry emanates from and where they derive much of their support and where they have the most to gain in the vacuum caused by the forced implosion of the MB.

    so yes,no and maybe though not necessarily in that order!
    Last edited: Sep 7, 2013
  9. FNG

    FNG It Takes A Nation Of Bloggers

    possibly a repost from last year but a long and informative article about the fractious relationship between Al Nour and the Muslim Brotherhood Brothers and Salafis.aspx

    In the past, the Salafis (al-nour)had never formulated a political project or platform. Prior to the revolution, their efforts and those of their societies and associations were devoted to proselytising and charity work. They had no political experience, and the public had never regarded them as a political player capable of promoting a coherent political vision and producing the type of officials capable of managing the affairs of the state.

    However, by partially identifying with the Nahda Project that served as the Brotherhood’s campaign platform and entering into calculated alliances with the Brothers on certain political positions, they succeeded in persuading a broad segment of the public that they had the necessary political skills. The task was not that difficult, since they realised that Egyptian public opinion in general did not differentiate in any meaningful way between the Salafis and Muslim Brothers. To the vast majority of Egyptians, who would never have read the articles by specialists, the two sides formed a single indivisible group, rather than two distinct movements.

    For its part, the Muslim Brotherhood had closely studied how to turn the Salafis into an asset for itself. It knew that the Salafis had the ability to attract broad grassroots support for Brotherhood ideas, and so, in an exercise of consummate pragmatism, it entered into tactical alliances with the Salafis on certain major issues. A prime case in point was when the Brotherhood and the Salafis joined forces against the Egyptian left and liberals in the 19 March 2011 referendum on the constitutional amendments that laid the groundwork for the Brotherhood’s eventual arrival in power.

    Khairat Al-Shater, whom many regard as the de facto leader of the Brotherhood, forms the hidden link between the Brothers and an influential portion of the Salafist movement. What makes this link so strong is that Al-Shater himself is strongly inclined to hardline Salafist thought and, indeed, some Salafis consider him to be one of their own even if he is a senior Brotherhood official. His preferred tool has been the Islamic Law Organisation for Rights and Reform, which he has used to generate Salafist backing for the Brotherhood.

    But the Brotherhood has also used the Salafis in another manner. When Brotherhood interests dictate, the Salafis become the Brotherhood’s bogeyman, much in the manner in which the former Mubarak regime used the spectre of the Brotherhood itself to alarm public opinion at home and abroad in order to perpetuate the regime’s hold on power.

    The Brotherhood has proven itself equally successful in this regard. Western officials have said on numerous occasions that they have no objections to working constructively with the Brotherhood, which they have come to describe as a “moderate” religious force with which it is possible to reach understandings that will safeguard Western interests. After seeing and hearing the opinions and behaviour of many Salafis, large segments of public opinion have been willing to indulge the Muslim Brotherhood’s excesses on the grounds that the “Brotherhood’s hell is better than the Salafis’ heaven.”

    I can see how pragmatists in the foreign office might look to flip the coin with Al-Nour being recast as the "moderate religious force" and the brotherhood the bogeymen,especially given the close working relationship they are developing with the Saudis with regards to Syria ect
  10. yield

    yield zero

    Thanks FNG. I was thinking of the latter.

    Al-Nour stood in the elections so it's not beyond belief that they'll do it again. If the opportunity arises.
  11. FNG

    FNG It Takes A Nation Of Bloggers

    thank you,hopefully i have conveyed successfully my opinion that its not a simple matter of the brotherhood switching hats and carrying on as before.The real problem and it transcends Egypt and the middle east, as the pattern can be found throughout Sub Sahara Afric and Asia including large parts of the rapidly growing economies of India and China is the disparity in wealth transfer away from rural to urban areas.

    Fanon correctly identified the emergence of urbanised elites that exploit and remove net worth in agriculture (cash crops)/mining mineral/human resources (the migration of the brightest and healthiest workers from rural to urban environments).These elites he foresaw would follow their colonial predecessors traditional exploitative model of chronic underinvestment in education and welfare in rural areas would create a void that would be filled by religious institutions, in egypt this became the Brotherhood and Al-Nour,(in other parts of the 3rd world by not only Islamic organisations but also in India for example by Hindu Revivalist and Christian missions).

    Now what that means for Egypt is illiteracy rates in rural parts of Upper Egypt for young males/females of 21.7%/42.9% respectively compared to 10%/20% of their regional urban counterparts.Even in the relatively prosperous north Lower Egypt with its access to the Mediterranean rural illiteracy rates are roughly twice that of urban areas.Of those that have received any schooling in rural areas the majority will have come through a madrassa type system with a large amount of religious indoctrination.
    equally stark are the statistics for rural infant mortality and childbirth deaths and deaths from preventable illnesses during the Mubarak era,the supposed champion of secularist Egyptian values.Compounded to that was his disastrous for many subsistence farmers was his dabbling with quasi-liberal land reforms at the behest of the IMF which saw land dispossessions increase tenfold.

    Fanon's optimistic believe that the urban rural divide would create the conditions for the emergence of a pure revolutionary conscious class from the peasants has failed to materialise in Egypt,where the post 52 revolutionary struggle has had its roots in the strike action of the urbanised workers. On the contrary the urban rural divide in the post fanon era has seen the emergence of a socially conservative rural body politic that is ill prepared for modernisation thus suspicious of liberalisation and economic reform.

    This is the almost insurmountable challenge posed to both the revolutionary left and their secularist liberal allies in making gains in any upcoming election before Al-nour consolidate their position and potentially strike a pact with Sisi and deliver Sisi's vision of a hybrid IslamiC Militarist regime mentioned]here[/url]

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    Last edited: Sep 14, 2013
  12. teqniq

    teqniq DisMembered

  13. FNG

    FNG It Takes A Nation Of Bloggers

    goes on both sides of the boarder, one of the benefits of cross boarder co-operation was and i suspect still is allowing corupt officials to avoid chance interception of their drug shipments by both their own and the other sides patrols.,7340,L-4394599,00.html
  14. barney_pig

    barney_pig Po-cha-na-quar-hip

  15. FNG

    FNG It Takes A Nation Of Bloggers

  16. elbows

    elbows WoeTimer

    I'm weeks out of date and will try to catch up soon. One story I did see recently is that Egypt has returned $2 billion to Qatar since they are no longer buddies and negotiations to turn the loan into bonds broke down.
  17. elbows

    elbows WoeTimer

    A court has banned MB activities and ordered their assets seized.

    A new minimum wage for public sector workers has been announced. A minimum wage for the private sector is still under negotiation.

    Earlier this month the Tamarod leader that I kept bitching about apparently survived an assassination attempt:
  18. elbows

    elbows WoeTimer

  19. FNG

    FNG It Takes A Nation Of Bloggers

    Al Nour have deceided not to run a candidate in the Presidential election preferring to concentrate on the parliamentary elections instead.Coquettishly suggesting they'd like a strong man for president preferably one supposes with a good sense of humour.

    Senior members of The National Salvation Front have already indicated they are not opposed to a candidate with a military background. Sisi has so far indicated his reluctance to stand and the military has insisted they have no intention of fielding a candidate though Gen. Sami Anan and Gen. Ahmad Shafiq are being touted as potential candidates.

    Other NSF developments twelve of the constituent parties of the NSF are preposing to form two Syriza style coalition groups to contest the forthcoming elections one comprising the liberals and the other the socialists.
  20. teqniq

    teqniq DisMembered

    New 'anti-Brotherhood, anti-military' front launched to 'achieve revolution goals'

  21. butchersapron

    butchersapron blood on the walls

    Eyes back on Egypt this weekend. Automatic gunfire and explosion downtown cairo already today.
  22. elbows

    elbows WoeTimer

    Sounds like they tried to escalate protests ahead of the October 6th commemorations, but attempts to take Tahrir square are probably doomed.

    I see AlJazeera is also going on about some video that shows Sisi and other military figures discussing how to control the media. The article does a very poor job of properly describing the context of this footage though:
  23. FNG

    FNG It Takes A Nation Of Bloggers

  24. FNG

    FNG It Takes A Nation Of Bloggers

  25. FNG

    FNG It Takes A Nation Of Bloggers

  26. butchersapron

    butchersapron blood on the walls

  27. elbows

    elbows WoeTimer
  28. teqniq

    teqniq DisMembered

    Wish there was something good to say but the counter-revolution is in full swing as summed up in this blog post by Juan Cole:

    Egypt’s Counter-Revolution: 21 Women and Girls Harshly Sentenced, Liberal Bloggers to be Arrested

    With reference to Alaa Abdel Fattah, despite his clearly stating that he would hand himself in on Saturday this has just been tweeted by a number of people:

  29. elbows

    elbows WoeTimer

    I see prominent activists have been sent down under the new protest laws.

    More from me later when I've done a little more research.
  30. elbows

    elbows WoeTimer

    At the moment my 'research' consists simply of going back to the initial period after Morsi was removed, and seeing which of those activists who have now been jailed were suckers for the coup.

    For starters:

    Back to the present, and the April 6th movement have just pulled out of the transitional roadmap in the face of these sentences. That they only just did so speaks volumes about how far they bent over to accommodate the military agenda until now. They had plenty to moan about and sometimes did, but they went along with the broad agenda despite ample indication that the coup and all that followed would not just be used against islamists.,-p.aspx


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