Egypt anti-government protests grow

Discussion in 'world politics, current affairs and news' started by stuff_it, Jan 25, 2011.

  1. elbows

    elbows WoeTimer

    Thanks for that. Not had a chance to look at the reading guide yet but the article about the RS matches what I've seen from them in recent months. Apparently the rev. socialists are doing some protest marches today too, not just the MB, but numbers so far are small. As for the MB, further arrests of leaders and spokesmen may be taking its toll on their organisational structure and this and other factors (such as fear) may be notably affecting their ability to get very large numbers onto the streets. It also sounds like they have abandoned the idea of having the various marches end up convening at a particular destination, and no sit-ins are planned for today.



     
  2. elbows

    elbows WoeTimer

  3. elbows

    elbows WoeTimer

    And here is a rather lengthy rant about the RS and their previous support for Tamarod. It probably overdoes things in places, but I link to it because it contains some interesting details about Tamarods links to the military, and because RS themselves are always keen to paper over the terrible mistakes of their previous stances.

    http://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2013/08/20/revs-a20.html
     
  4. butchersapron

    butchersapron blood on the walls

    Yes, have to be careful with the WSWS though - they are engaged in a never-ending internecine battle with the other 'sell out' trot groups everywhere. They are useful for info-picking though.
     
  5. elbows

    elbows WoeTimer

    Yeah, they are laying it on a bit thick in that article to say the least. All the same the idiotic positions taken by many in recent months are out there for all to see. Would it really have been that hard for people & groups to come out against the MB without being suckers for the military etc agenda?
     
  6. elbows

    elbows WoeTimer

    Via the AlJazeera blog: (http://blogs.aljazeera.com/liveblog/topic/egypt-21121)

     
  7. FNG

    FNG It Takes A Nation Of Bloggers

  8. elbows

    elbows WoeTimer

    You are quite right, their stance improved more quickly than I had remembered. Have to go back to July 5th to see their statements being quite detached from reality, and will have to wait and see if the populations love-in with the military lasts in order to judge quite how far off the mark they were. ( July 5th translated statement: http://socialistworker.org/2013/07/05/four-days-that-shook-the-world )
     
  9. FNG

    FNG It Takes A Nation Of Bloggers

    Although i didn't specifically have the RS in mind when i wrote about the whittling away of the popular movements and reformists from the El-Sisi coalition i think they are part of that process.

    I think many that took part in the protests to remove Morsi from expected a transition similar to that which removed Mubarak from power. Niave with hindsight but the army by intervening to remove Mubarak deftly positioned themselves as supreme arbitrators in egyptian politics people were either inclined to trust them to act with restraint, hoping international public opinion would provide the checks and balances, or expected general disobedience amongst the ranks to prevent bloodshed,as Khamisis experience shows much to his chagrin not every Egyptian Policeman is inclined to murder on a whim.
     
  10. barney_pig

    barney_pig Po-cha-na-quar-hip

    Picked up the morning star to look at at work, there was a full page on Egypt, I assumed that it would be the the usual idiot anti imperialist puff for the MB, instead it was fulsome in its applause for the generals.
    Tankies don't change their spots
     
  11. FNG

    FNG It Takes A Nation Of Bloggers

    ^I notice that i used army and police interchangably there, going to need a moment of clarity to express the sentiment better i guess.
    On a wider note, i think it is telling that El-Sisi feels he has weakened the opposition sufficiently that he can risk invoking their wrath by downgrading Mubaraks incarceration from prison to house arrest.

    WRT the wider populations love in with the military i think there are several processes at play here;

    the tanking of the already critical economy under morsi.

    Protest fatigue and general desire by Egyptians to get on with their lives.

    the social dissonance between urban and rural power elites.

    electoral shock at how well Islamic and salafist parties did in elections.

    Nostalgic revisionism for stability, driven by fear and uncertainty about the future.Like the way the economic crisis in post soviet break up russia saw the emergence of groups of ecconomically impoverised people finding solace in looking back to the Stalinist era.
     
  12. elbows

    elbows WoeTimer

    You can add to that list the awful propaganda across most the media there, all of the other mistakes by Morsi, the cowardly and opportunistic deal-making by 'pro-revolutionary' political parties and alliances, and a lingering question about what proportion of the population were actually up for a proper revolution in the first place (e.g. Shafiq got a similar proportion of votes as Morsi).

    As for the fate of Mubarak, it's been suggested in the media for a long time that interest in his fate had wained. So I wouldn't want to overstate the potential wrath, e.g. compared to the wrath of not going after the police etc that murdered protesters in the past, although they still didn't go as far as to risk freeing him completely. Not that house arrest necessarily means much, especially as he seems to spend most of his time at medical facilities anyway.

    Regarding peoples expectations that the transition would be similar to the previous one, I'm not so sure. They must have realised that the MB would not take the coup lying down, and those aware of the electoral power of the MB compared to other groups must have been aware that in order to rig the future game in the favour of the liberals etc, something would have to be done to change the MB's position in the game. And from a 'proper revolutionaries' point of view, the previous transition was also a deliberate botch job that demonstrated how far the revolution had not come in certain key areas.

    Anyways I only just woke up so not sure how much poop I am spouting.
     
  13. butchersapron

    butchersapron blood on the walls

    Beinin on the labour movement after June 30. Very demoralising with what appears to be the independent union tops sleep-walking into the role that the official state unions had with the Mubarak regime - and that for the local groups to break with them would be just what those who want the old set-up back actually want to happen.
     
  14. elbows

    elbows WoeTimer

    Sadly much of that article does not surprise me, since the article that sihhi linked to on July 16th set the scene for this:

    http://www.madamasr.com/content/and-where-do-workers-stand

    And the subsequent statement by Fatma Ramadan in late July, which I think I linked to at some point, which revealed that the EFITU Executive Committee vote about whether to issue a statement supporting al-Sisi's call for 'protests to mandate a crackdown on terrorists' went 9-5 in favour of issuing the pro-military statement.

    http://menasolidaritynetwork.com/20...fool-you-independent-union-leader-speaks-out/
     
  15. Delroy Booth

    Delroy Booth Off to join the SPGB. Have fun. Banned

    Seeing as Gigi Ibrahim has come up a lot on this thread, she's just done a short video for Vice called "Egypt after Morsi"



    Like a lot of Vice stuff it skims over a lot of the politics, but has lots of dramatic footage, a bit like how they report on the far-right over here.
     
  16. elbows

    elbows WoeTimer

    It doesn't focus on the state violence much.

    On one of the Syria threads I wondered whatBlair had been saying about Egypt in a Times piece that is behind their paywall. Thanks to quotes by other media I now know:


    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/ukn...to-prevent-breeding-ground-for-extremism.html
     
  17. elbows

    elbows WoeTimer

    Yet again the protests on Friday have been smaller than hoped by the likes of the MB. AlJazeera admit this on their blog, but not in the video which accompanies the following article. A video which shows their desperation and spin pretty clearly, especially at the end.

    http://www.aljazeera.com/news/middleeast/2013/08/20138308441552984.html

    el-Beltagy finally got nicked on Thursday as well.

    The arrest and continued detention of a number of AlJazeera journalists seems to be receiving very little attention beyond AlJazeera itself.

    Not a lot of other news to report this week unless I've missed something. There has been a bit more of the chatter about some kind of possible impending deal between the state and the MB again recently though, along with the PM reserving his previous comments about considering banning the MB.
     
  18. elbows

    elbows WoeTimer

    Oh and earlier in the week AlJazeera did draw attention to this disturbing video. It's presumably from when the sit-ins were being cleared, and shows a bulldozer pushing a load of stuff along the street, straight into a structure which contains many wrapped corpses of those presumably killed earlier in the day. In a subsequent video on the same youtube account it becomes clear that there were more bodies being stored further behind the structure, and that fire has started to engulf them. The video is especially disturbing due to the terrible sounds of anguish of those witnessing the scene.

     
  19. elbows

    elbows WoeTimer

  20. elbows

    elbows WoeTimer

    Some shit is happening in relation to the 'war on terror' and Egypt, both in terms of actual terrorist action, the government &TV bullshit that tries to paint the struggle with the MB as being a war on terror, and the longer-term fallout from the crushing of political Islam via the ballot box.

    An Al-Qaeda Iraq leader has got in on the propaganda action:

    http://zeenews.india.com/news/world/al-qaeda-in-iraq-calls-on-egyptians-to-fight-army_873249.html

    And:

    http://www.khaleejtimes.com/kt-arti...t/middleeast_August375.xml&section=middleeast

    And Egyptian officials have claimed to have thwarted an attack on a container ship in the Suez canal.

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-23918642
     
  21. elbows

    elbows WoeTimer

    Some detail about Beltagy of the MB's attempts to defend himself when questioned about various comments he made after the coup. Unsurprisingly his detention has been extended by 15 days:

    http://www.egyptindependent.com/news/beltagy-claims-he-referred-‘protests-famous-sinai-video

    On the economic front, the IMF stuff is still on hold. There is talk of increasing VAT.

    http://www.egyptindependent.com/news/egyptian-government-temporarily-halts-imf-loan-negotiations
     
  22. FNG

    FNG It Takes A Nation Of Bloggers

    Al-Gamaa Al-Islamiya are not the only faction calling the shots in the Sinai though. the regional balance of power has shifted back towards the informal Al Queedia/Eygptian Islamic Jihad alliance due in part to MB pissing off local smuggling network bosses through Gaza tunnel closures during their tenure in power.

    As this 19/6/13 upload shows there is no love lost between the two groups

     
  23. FNG

    FNG It Takes A Nation Of Bloggers

  24. FNG

    FNG It Takes A Nation Of Bloggers

  25. FNG

    FNG It Takes A Nation Of Bloggers

    http://www.egyptindependent.com/new...ay-scrap-workers-and-farmers-quota-parliament

    very good article on the scrapping of the 50 percent allocation of workers and farmers in parliament. Outlining the flaws in the current system and the concerns of Nagy Rashad, a caretaker member on the board of the ETUF and Abdel Meguid al-Khouli, president of the Independent Farmers’ Federation.

    http://www.egyptindependent.com/news/qa-ray-bush-horrors-egypt’s-rural-life-part-i

    http://www.egyptindependent.com/news/qa-ray-bush-horrors-egypt’s-rural-life-part-ii
     
    Last edited: Sep 2, 2013
  26. elbows

    elbows WoeTimer

    Yes al-Nour announced the other week that they would put forward people to become members of the committee, although I think most people expect them to get pissed off when they fail to achieve all of their aims.

    (from http://english.ahram.org.eg/NewsCon...represent-Islamists-in-Egypts-final-cons.aspx )

    As for the 50 percent allocation being scrapped, for the sake of clarity I should point out that the article you posted is from a year ago when the MB were calling the shots, although many of its details about who else supported the scrapping are obviously still valid.
     
  27. elbows

    elbows WoeTimer

    And of course the other big news is that Morsi and 14 other MB members are to stand trial for inciting violence, in connection with the protests outside the presidential palace last December.

    Some of the detail provides another glimpse at whether the security apparatus were really willing to do the MB's work for them when the MB were in power. (One of the topics I argued with sihhi about on this thread the other month)

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/23924145
     
  28. CNT36

    CNT36 Not carbon nano tubes

  29. FNG

    FNG It Takes A Nation Of Bloggers

    ta for the clarification, was initially puzzled by the reference to this part in the current article
    so went off and did a bit of background search, forgetting i'd editted out the question relating to it.
     
  30. FNG

    FNG It Takes A Nation Of Bloggers

    One of the first things the army did,even before the crackdown on MB was seize several underground fuel supply tanks into gaza, things must be pretty miserable in there at the moment.
     

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