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Educate me about Anarchism.

Good grief. Nothing like mixing up yer erotic life with yer socioeconomic theories, eh?

Yeah well, we probably don't need the help of critical theory to understand the guilty secret of her novels. That beneath all the rhetoric about freedom and the endless expositions of crank economic theories, they're actually all about learning to enjoy getting arse-raped by capitalists.
 
I read the *Fountainhead (or at least glanced through it) once, but as people have pointed out there are two things lacking in Rand's books. One is anything at all in the way of humour or intentional comic relief, and the other thing is that (as the American psychiatrist / Christian writer M Scott Peck pointed out) children are conspicuously absent from Rand's books. So is anyone else who by their very existence is dependent upon other people.

Here's the best critical site I've found about libertarianism (the Non-Libertarian FAQ is especially good);

http://world.std.com/~mhuben/libindex.html

* The next book I read after that one was Pirsig's "Zen and the Art of Motorcycle Maintenance;" much more satisfying. Unfortunately I should have been reading my course books instead. :)
 
I believe anarchism is about building a better society. As in anarchist Spain I believe it is a trans-generational struggle that builds over time to flower in the creation of a truly anarchist societ. That is why I believe ideas are all important. It is important to get the theory right and win the battle for ideas.
 
Yeah well, we probably don't need the help of critical theory to understand the guilty secret of her novels. That beneath all the rhetoric about freedom and the endless expositions of crank economic theories, they're actually all about learning to enjoy getting arse-raped by capitalists.
You're making them sound a lot more interesting than they are. Politics aside, Atlas Shrugged really is a very, very badly written book.
 
I believe anarchism is about building a better society. As in anarchist Spain I believe it is a trans-generational struggle that builds over time to flower in the creation of a truly anarchist societ. That is why I believe ideas are all important. It is important to get the theory right and win the battle for ideas.

nah, it stick to the lib dems, love :)
 
basically. "anarcho-capitalists" :rolleyes:
That's basically what I'd be scared of emerging with the absence of government, even if it started off as "proper" anarchist. I think humans naturally organise themselves into competing groups (tribes) and seek to accumulate power (which could be force or wealth). I'm not sure how an anarchist society could protects us from the possible emergence of such an outcome...
 
I've read your posts on that other thread that you obviously put a lot of time and effort into, danny. Thanks for posting them - if the intro to 'Demanding The Impossible' had them I maybe wouldn't have given up on it so easily.

We'll have to agree to differ on the 'humans are essentially altruistic' point although I do admire your optimism in this. I'd take issue with this point being empirically proven, too, but I'm not going to labour this.

It gave me plenty to think about wandering around Lidl this afternoon, anyhow. :)
 
Are there any anarchists who would cite Striner as an explicit influence? I don't just mean that they would share his rejection of the idea of laws and his promotion of the idvidual; are there any currently writing of otherwise active who would say that they look to/draw on Striner?

Cheers - Louis MacNeice
 
Are there any anarchists who would cite Striner as an explicit influence? I don't just mean that they would share his rejection of the idea of laws and his promotion of the idvidual; are there any currently writing of otherwise active who would say that they look to/draw on Striner?

Cheers - Louis MacNeice
Yes, but mostly nutters. (imo).
 
I think the main barrier to anarchism is removing, as much as possible, the cultural herd instinct (which I personally think has a genetic component) toward hierarchy, especially authoritarian and permanent hierarchies (as opposed to fluid, context-specific hierarchies as one might expect to see appearing and dissappearing in a anarchism). Basically people have become used to, in fact are conditioned into, accepting authority on an arbitrary basis (Why can't I do that? 'Becuase I'm your parent/teacher and I'm telling you you can't) but also because in doing so, lots of responsibility for ones life, for the choices one makes, are taken away - often these choices will be diffilcult to make, but also it frees people up from responsibility. One of the great capitalist corruptions of environmental arguments about behaviour is that at some point the concept of personal responsibility and decision making dissappeared. A 16 year old who breaks in to an OAPs house, robs her and rapes her may well be a product of his environment, but his actions are still his responsibility, not a mechanistic, deterministic, robot-like 'I have had a hard life therefore I must do these things'.

For me this notion of being absolutely responsible for ones actions, and accountable to the wider community for them, coupled with a lack of 'leaders', are the things that really scare people about anarchism. I mean think about it - you live in an anarchist society and something goes seriously wrong - harvest failure for example - there aren't any politicians to blame, there aren't any authority figures, it's a genuine collective failure that could have dire consequences.

So to sum up -
Our societies have been built around coercive, arbitrary authority for such a long time that it's so rooted in our cultures as to be almost instincual.
Anarchism would mean having to accept responsibility for ourselves completely, and for any wider failures in society
Anarchism would be seriously fucking hard work for at least 2, possibly 3 generations - how do you deal with reactionary thinking without compromising your own anarchist beliefs (I have a plan for this but would mean those involved would ultimately sacrifice their own choices and freedoms because the actions required of them would be reactionary too)

And the only crime in such a society would be the brilliantly succint invention of China Mieville: Choice Theft
 
We'll have to agree to differ on the 'humans are essentially altruistic' point although I do admire your optimism in this. I'd take issue with this point being empirically proven, too, but I'm not going to labour this.
That's not exactly what I think, though. What I think is that, like other social species, we evolved to be capable of altruism.

I think this post sums it up fairly well. (Although I must apologize for a hideous typo in its text).
 
Thing is, our society amplifies whatever hierarchical tendencies might exist in human nature, by providing a bunch of positive feedback loops, what Donna Meadows calls 'success to the successful' mechanisms. In a capitalist society these are especially evident, but I think they also existed in the Eastern Bloc.

The clever trick is to find a way to damp out these feedback loops. That's what ideas such as recallable delegates in many progressive political schemes are for.
 
OK, joking aside. Stirner is worth reading. He has things you can take. He also influenced people I take things from, like Marx and Emma Goldman. He also influenced wankers I hate with all my being like Lacan.

However, today, his influence tends more to be on extreme individualists, in whom I have no interest whatsoever.
 
That's not exactly what I think, though. What I think is that, like other social species, we evolved to be capable of altruism.

I think this post sums it up fairly well. (Although I must apologize for a hideous typo in its text).

I take your point about the difference there. I'd like to read Mead's work on this but I doubt I'd agree with it.

As an aside, I've become interested in alternatives to capitalism again since the economic collapse. I'm not sure whether I'll be able to get over the sectarianism aspect, though. The petty infighting frightened me off last time and I don't see much evidence of things having changed.
 
OK, joking aside. Stirner is worth reading. He has things you can take. He also influenced people I take things from, like Marx and Emma Goldman. He also influenced wankers I hate with all my being like Lacan.

However, today, his influence tends more to be on extreme individualists, in whom I have no interest whatsoever.


Who, of course, either simply ignore his idea of the union of egoists or empty it of any collective potential beyond the feeble 'contract'.
 
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