Discussion in 'protest, direct action and demos' started by Das Uberdog, Oct 31, 2010.
They must have been odd years.
Nobody else organising anything else at all.
Sad to see someone in Deptford wants to free TR.
Nice to see someone dispute it.
Sad to see the out of date EDL reference.
Counter Demonstration 14th July 2018 !
How do people feel about the way independent Anti Fascist/AFN demonstration went, particularly during the end when SUTR 'bandwagon' (literally) was given permission to usurp, promote and basically attempt to maintain vanguard and leadership of march to Victoria Station !
Was it a good idea to open up organising to other groups ?
Are their lessons to be learned from this, in my opinion aberration at best when dealing with opportunist sects and their front organisations, particularly SWP ! Organisers & stewards of anti fascist mobilisation must be pretty naive, if not easily manipulated not to think that they wouldn't pull such a stunt as they did !
If we, militant and independent anti fascists are now reliant and making SUTR/UAF figureheads of movement; what is the point of us existing as independent organisations ?
We should be wise enough by now to know how these demos work. There are many people who want to demonstrate but certainly are not up for physical confrontation and I fully understand that. The right action for them is to leave an area where there is the threat of physical attack, for others who are not prepared to yield then you stay in the area. We are not all macho and physically or mentally strong enough to put ourselves at physical risk.
Your posting style has changed. Is it a shared account?
It's not a case of being 'Macho'; I presumed, as a general rule adopting the tactic of mass direct action partly would be to counter that culture and that there a plenty of roles just as important, if not more that people can play in anti fascist movement that do not involve confrontation, if they choose not to ! Being manipulated as was done last Saturday and negotiating to the level of subservience was counter productive at best !
My understanding was that the demo was not called on the premise of mass confrontation, but as the start of the process of rebuilding active anti-fascism in the unions and working class generally. This was a sensible approach given the massive imbalance of forces on previous major demonstrations (<50:1) and uncertainty about numbers on the day.
On the whole it was successful - there were a lot of union members and banners there. Even the attack on Hedley and co. will work to our (& his) advantage in pushing for greater involvement in the future.
Before a decade of ‘not holidaying, travelling’ through poorer countries bankrolled by rental income, though.
That could be straight from the imagination of Aramdo Iannucci .
Fuck me people are stupid and there is no hope ... Push the FuckinG Button! !!!
Any news on alleged stabbing of D F L A supporters in M anchest er & counter demo or attempts at retaliation ?
E D L In Worcester 1st September 2018
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