EDL watch

Discussion in 'protest, direct action and demos' started by Das Uberdog, Oct 31, 2010.

  1. cyril_smear

    cyril_smear Well-Known Member

    I don't think it's as simple as that. We are talking a gap of 60 minutes between arrest and appearing in court... Then there has to be admissions or denials.

    20 minutes to get to elland road, 30 minutes to get booked in to custody if your lucky, back to the Bridewell in Leeds crown court, get booked in there, etc etc.

    Maybe it's different with contempt of court?? I'd like to know.
     
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  2. cyril_smear

    cyril_smear Well-Known Member

    How can it trigger the suspended without an admission or a conviction? Again, maybe contempt of court is different; I don't know.
     
  3. Magnus McGinty

    Magnus McGinty Wh♂️

    Maybe the Robinson team are lying? I’ve no idea why it’d happen that quickly and there be a ‘media blackout’ but you can get sent down from a court with immediate effect if you’ve broken the terms of a suspended sentence.
     
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  4. cyril_smear

    cyril_smear Well-Known Member

    You would assume the media blackout is due to reporting restrictions on the trial he was "covering".

    Again though, I don't think it's as simple as a judge arbitrarily deciding you have breached the terms of a suspended sentence. You'd have to be convicted of a further offence first surely?

    Out in a fortnight I reckon, and a massive victory for this cunts cause.
     
  5. cyril_smear

    cyril_smear Well-Known Member

    I suspect there'll be a lot more people outside Leeds CC following this particular trial on Monday.

    Mission accomplished!!
     
  6. Magnus McGinty

    Magnus McGinty Wh♂️

    There may be another court case and that he simply wasn’t granted bail.
     
  7. hot air baboon

    hot air baboon Well-Known Member

    petition for his release on change.org that's now on 122,000 signatures
     
  8. alan_

    alan_ Well-Known Member

    it was breach of the peace he was arrested for which triggered a contempt of court which was outstanding then because of that the suspended sentence came about and he got 13 month. Very very quick justice handed down. The arrest was done as he stood and livestreamed outside the court. I don't think the coppers acted on their own volition. (the trial judge was standing at the window looking at him) So did someone order him to be arrested because quite honestly he was not creating any breach as he livestreamed. The trial verdict incidentally is in and the proceedings were to sentence so they cannot even say that he would have prejudiced the trial. none of this is on the BBC or Guardian nor is the Whitehall demo as there is a blackout on reporting. I know that this is tommy robinson, but even so, the manoeuvres here stink
     
  9. cyril_smear

    cyril_smear Well-Known Member

    By all accounts he was sentenced, not just remanded.

    Out in a fortnight... Massive victory for his cause.
     
  10. alan_

    alan_ Well-Known Member

    A massive victory he is a fucking hero now to his supporters and his martyrdom has given them a focal point to rally round.
    ie another demo tomorrow
     
  11. Ranbay

    Ranbay The same rules apply

    plus the money in.... he's made loads in donations in the past 24 hours.
     
  12. The39thStep

    The39thStep Well-Known Member

    Alan, Who do you think has ordered a blackout or for him to be arrested?
     
  13. 19force8

    19force8 For the avoidance of faith

    My guess:

    When there's reporting restrictions on a case and the judge finds out you're standing outside the court livestreaming a report about the case. And you've got form and a suspended sentence for this kind of thing. You'll find a very pissed off judge with the power to send you down and no viable defence. :rolleyes:
     
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  14. 19force8

    19force8 For the avoidance of faith

    E2A I'll bet the reporting restrictions on the case extended to reporting this twats grandstanding.
     
  15. MrSpikey

    MrSpikey Well-Known Member

    No, you don't need to commit a further offence to breach the terms of a suspended sentence (although doing so almost certainly would). If a judge decides you have breached any of the conditions attached to a suspended sentence, they can send you straight to jail to serve the sentence.

    If his 3 months suspended sentence has been activated, he'll serve that (half in prison, half on parole). If, as it seems, he's been convicted of another offence as well, he can appeal that, if he has grounds.
     
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  16. MrSpikey

    MrSpikey Well-Known Member

    If the image in this tweet is genuine, the judge put reporting restrictions on his case that expire when two other ongoing cases conclude:

     
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  17. Rutita1

    Rutita1 Scum with no integrity, apparently.

  18. Mooney

    Mooney Banned Banned

    I’m an Englishman called George and I’m from Bermondsey, South-East London. My father was called George. He was also from Bermondsey. His father, another Bermondsey man, was called George too. And his father, my great-grandfather, is from the same place. He was called Edward. These three generations of my family, were in the fish trade. I’m the first member of my family not to work at the market in Billingsgate.

    My great-grandfather had eleven brothers and sisters. I dont know exactly how many of his generation married or exactly how many children they produced. So far I have traced over two-hundred of them. Many still live in Bermondsey and some are still in the fish trade. There are seven called George, and five called Victoria and I ask as a representative of all of them a question put by our fellow patron, Mr Enoch Powell.

    What do they know of England, who only England know?

    Or, what can my family, who come from England, who lived in England, who know only England, say of this, our country?

    Enoch Powell once spoke of the destruction of ancient Athens and the miraculous survival in the blackened ruins of that city of the sacred olive tree, the great symbol of Greece, their country. And he also spoke of us, the English, at the heart of a vanished empire, seeming to find within ourselves that one of our own oak trees, the sap rising from our ancient roots, and he said perhaps, after all, we who have inhabited this island fortress for an unbroken thousand years, brought up, as he said, within the sound of English bird song under the English oak, in the English meadow, beneath the red cross of St. George, it is us who know most of England.

    I appreciated him for saying that, because it was as if he spoke for my family, who understand well their own country. Who understand even better their own capital, London town, as we used to call her. As we strolled in her parks, as we marveled at her palaces, as we did buisness in the city, went west for a dance, took a boat on the river. The pale ale and eel pie of old London. The London of my family for as many generations as I know. A London that in my lifetime will be less than fifty percent white. A London, where my kids are grown up, a white person will be in the minority.

    Am I racist? No. Do I have anything against people of other races? No!

    So what then is my gripe?

    My gripe, and I speak on behalf of seven men called George and five women called Victoiria, my gripe is quite simple. My gripe is that we were never asked. My gripe is that we were told, not asked, and everyday we are told again and again how we are to be and how our country is to be. We are told by them, and we know who they are, they’re English too. They are the class that has always set themselves apart, they are the class that has always taken what they wanted for themselves, and now they are the class that has giving England away. They have never asked us, and they never will.

    Do we allow them to sell our heritage? Or is it time for us to speak? To speak, to refuse them the right to give away our holy, or bountiful, our only England that has nurtured us, naked, grown us as the oak. Is it time for us that England know to come yet again and defend our country. With our hearts and our fists.

    Is it time for us to rise again?

    I say yes.

    Free Tommy Robinson!
     
  19. Ranbay

    Ranbay The same rules apply

    How many tokens do i need to collect? how much is P&P?
     
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  20. Kaka Tim

    Kaka Tim Crush the Saboteurs!

    this is a cut and paste job originally posted (as far as google search tells me) on some far right website in 2014.
     
  21. The39thStep

    The39thStep Well-Known Member

    Alan seems to be hinting there is something more at play I think
     
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  22. chilango

    chilango *shrugs*

    If I was at work this week I'd Photoshop up a Cornflakes packet with a "Free Tommy Robinson!" offer and a picture of a wee plastic figurine of Yaxley-Lennon on the front.

    But I'm not. I'm on holiday.

    So you'll have to use your imagination....
     
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  23. alan_

    alan_ Well-Known Member

    No, that was really not my intention as I posted and any "hinting at something more" was also unintentional. I did find the events strange. TR was in a relatively empty square and after about an hour, seven or so cops decided to arrest him for breach of peace. This in turn triggered all the rest. I thought however that to trigger the rest, he would need to be tried on the original charge (Breach of Peace), but obviously not and he was on his way to jail within a few hours. I have never known justice to move so quickly and if this is the shape of things to come the lawyers will simply not stand for it as there will be nothing to charge for.
     
  24. Magnus McGinty

    Magnus McGinty Wh♂️

    He wasn’t ‘in a relatively empty square’. He was filming a court, which is what he’s been lifted for previously.
     
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  25. FridgeMagnet

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  26. The39thStep

    The39thStep Well-Known Member

    I'm all for speedy justice providing there is due process.The fact is that he was already on a suspended sentence for contempt , the trials for the alleged are complex and split into a number of different proceedings . Because of this and to minimise any further allegations of contempt the judge has been very clear about reporting on the trials. Every other journalist has managed to follow the rules apart from our Stephen who rather than turn up at the court and ask a member of the court staff if the trial is still on and would it be ok to 'broadcast live' outside the court steams in regardless. Of course a quick phone call to his solicitor, who represented him at his last contempt case , no doubt would have enabled him to be given some guidance and assistance on where he stood legally or illegally.There is already a comment in the press that one of the defendents may use this incident in an appeal. Is that really what the victims in this case deserve? Its a great pity that the Police and the courts didnt move as quickly to prosecute and bring to justice the perpertrators in this case as quickly as they have with this self publicising obsessed with victimhood maverick .
     
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  27. MrSpikey

    MrSpikey Well-Known Member

    If the court decided he breached the conditions of his suspended sentence, that would be activated and he'd be off to jail without the need for any new charge (although it does appear that there were new charges, if the reported sentence length is correct).

    Being arrested and charged are different things - he was apparently arrested for BotP, but, if reports are correct, it would appear he was ultimately charged with something else. It isn't unusual for this to happen.

    For charges such as contempt of court, things can move very quickly - the courts themselves can order the immediate arrest of individuals so they can be brought before the court to answer such charges.
     
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  28. cyril_smear

    cyril_smear Well-Known Member

    That clears things up a bit. However, surely there would need to be an admission or a conviction i.e evidence submitted etc.

    Couldn't have happened to a more deserving person obviously. It just doesn't sit right with me how fast this sentence was handed down. I notice that the 13 month(half served in jail) would coincide with the expected end of the third and final in a series of related grooming and trafficking trials(starting in September and lasting for 6 weeks).

    All these men on trial have had there pictures plastered all over the internet and a riot nearly errupted outside Leeds crown court earlier this year at the first of the three related trials with no arrests.
     
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  29. Stay Beautiful

    Stay Beautiful Well-Known Member

    Yes, it was terrible how all those general elections weren't held between 1950 and today...
     
  30. Stay Beautiful

    Stay Beautiful Well-Known Member

    Where to begin with the state of this... :facepalm::D
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