Discussion in 'protest, direct action and demos' started by Das Uberdog, Oct 31, 2010.
Yep, and supporting Israel (in the US, anyway, seems to be a thing with a few of the "anti-fascist" people i met when i was helping with an anti-racist website for some people largely based in the US) in the UK perhaps not like that though, and perhaps even going on about how all Israelis are savages , like some guy i met at a demo a while back
sorry, what a shit post, i have edited to make it a bit clearer, sorry
Well there's some in Cambridge that have been very silly and taking liberties.
Given this guy robinsons obvious lack of leadership ability , charisma ,inspirational quality , political thought or planning capability the manner in which hes managed to attract followers to an outfit heavily hyped by the British media from the outset means its a given the thing is state sponsored from the outset .
So any thoughts as regards the overall game plan behind these cretins ?
i don't think it's state sponsored, but it's undeniably sponsored by some wealthy individuals. recent links made with the Tea Party have no doubt aided them with more financial and legal resources. i think it's important not to underestimate the basic underlying business nouse of the EDL's leadership, who've been marketing EDL branded clothing and 'accessories' since the group began. the EDL business model looks extremely similar to that of a footie fan-club to me, and that's not really surprising given their leadership's background.
as a long-term strategy, i don't think there is one, other than for continued incremental enlargement and encroachment on the rest of the left (beginning with the SWP and UAF). though, these things may well be more of an organic development in the regions than a conscious plan directed from the centre.
whatever happens, i think the EDL are now a permanent feature on the British political scene, for the forseeable future. something we'll have to adapt our strategy around.
Im still quite suspicious of the way the British media overnight hyped this outfit out of all proportion , before any activity even began they were on the front pages of a number of tabloids . We saw precisely that type of thing before with combat 18 . Run by no marks and clowns who were more interested in getting their hands on the lucrative Blood and Honour marketting brand than anything . Hyped by the media out of all proportion to what threat they posed . And a state run operation from start to inglorious finish .
Theres a lot of parallels here as far as i can see .
except that the edl aren't as far as i can see trying to muscle in on music interests.
They were around under other guises long before that luton thing though.
I think they're over now.
but they are interested in making a lot of dosh through a marketed right wing brand name , which is all B&H were in a financial sense . And just like C18 theres a rivalry there with the BNP too .
what makes you say that butchers?
They haven't had the numbers for a good few months now. There's been an internal polarisation leaving those who were hiding in there unable to do so anymore - their true colours have to appear if they want to stay involved, they never managed to set up anything sustainable politically anywhere, no proper local involvement in anything, and the pool they thought they were swimming ion has other issues on its mind right now - issues which the edl can't even begin to deal with.
that's a good point, especially the last bit of the sentence.
where do you think the far right in general are headed tho? is this something we're gonna have to watch out for at all?
I think the BNP are trying to keep a lid on stuff until march/april time 2011. That's pretty much all they can do for the minute.
i don't think they'll make *that* much money through branded merchandise you can't wear in a significant number of social settings without a fight / getting stopped and searched / looking like a wanker
fair dos, do you think they have a chance of electoral / whatever success at all? they don't seem to have any kind of response about the cuts etc, although i dont generally tend to go looking around on the bnp website. maybe im wrong tho?
the point of being in the EDL surely ?
They've failed miserably to get their narrative of economic nationalism across over the last 12 months. There have been local groups concentrating on things like social housing but there's no national focus. Be able to tell closer to next may.
yes - but my point was the only outings most of these hoodies can have is at the edl demos, rather than in general everyday wear.
Also, the leadership that has stepped forward appear to be not that organised. Amsterdam is a disaster for them.
I've seen them worn at football matches too.
anybody got any info on these fellas?
Registered to a Jemma Piggott, prob fake name - can't find any edl/piggot stuff.
Have a look here:
Jesus, what a loaf of pointless crap. Their view is about 5 metres in diameter.
ah charlie flowers, makes sense
He's a right knob. Clearly thinks he's some sort of Facebook godfather, the sad twat.
I think the EDL are pretty much finished.They were never able to keep their hooligan core under any form of control and even Geert Wilders disowned them when they turned up in Amsterdam.Noone believes they aren't the same racists they always were whether or not they wheel out some token non white faces.UAF are a joke however and tolerate homophobia in the name of religious diversity.
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