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EDL demo Leeds October 31st

CyberRose said:
That's just crazy! There's no way any sizeable groups would have got down Park Row. It's a big long street full of coppers and members of the public going shopping. All you would have achieved is causing a massive fight with the police and putting the public at an enormous risk. You wouldn't have been "protecting" anybody because as far as I'm aware the police did a good job of containing the EDL in City Square. And even if you had managed to get past two police lines and confronted the EDL, what then? What's a bunch of students gonna do against what appeared to be some of the most violent football hooligans from around the country? You'd be putting yourself at an unnecessary risk never mind the public!

The police get paid to protect the public, let them do it, don't make the situation worse for the people you claim to be protecting...
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I agree with Belboid, we had a chance to march of united, and instead UAF tried to convince people it was too dangerous. I was told by a UAF steward I would get my head bashed in if I left their fenced area. We could have actually made it to their demo and chanted over them, instead they got hours of being able to promote their racist filth to everyone by the bus station.

We are allowed to march you realize, that was once a democratic right.
 
moon23 said:
We are allowed to march you realize, that was once a democratic right.
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But not a democratic right for the far right presumably?

I honestly don't think you'd have made it anywhere near City Square (not in enough numbers anyway)

All that would have happened is you'd have caused one hell of a riot with the police putting them, the public and yourselves in danger (not to mention how much worse it would have been if you'd somehow managed to get to City Square)

Hardly the most effective way to convince people of your message is it?
 
I think it would have been highly worthwhile for the EDL to see that they were actively opposed, and that their presence wouldn't be lightly tolerated in Leeds or anywhere else. Instead they were simply contained by the police without any opposition. They weren't particularly unhappy with the days events, tho they probably did get rather bored too.

Hardly suprising Choudhrys do was cancelled, more surprising they left it till today to announce it.
 
CyberRose said:
Quite possible the most misleading headline ever! Chaos? Not really. Protesters storming the other demos? Nope! Suppose it was in Leeds city centre so at least they got the town right!
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there's not even anything in the article that bacxks up the headline - tho as seen with the jan moir article - the mail has a policy of making their net article headlines absurdly provocative.
 
belboid said:
Instead they were simply contained by the police without any opposition.
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But that IS opposition! The police did exactly what you would have liked to do.

And what about the violence you would have caused to yourself, the public and the police if you'd managed to convince everybody to march down to City Square? Doesn't that concern you in the slightest? Not to mention the appalling publicity it would have done to your cause

Hardly suprising Choudhrys do was cancelled, more surprising they left it till today to announce it.
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If I have understood correctly, they called it off themselves due to their leaders being bombarded with death threats
 
CyberRose said:
Oh and while you're looking down your nose at people who went to uni, don't forget that a large portion of that UAF demo today were also students (which is true for all leftist organisations)
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Oh please get over yourself. I was at university as a mature student ten years ago.
 
CyberRose said:
But that IS opposition! The police did exactly what you would have liked to do.
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no, it isn't.

And what about the violence you would have caused to yourself, the public and the police if you'd managed to convince everybody to march down to City Square? Doesn't that concern you in the slightest? Not to mention the appalling publicity it would have done to your cause
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any violence (and there needn't have been much, if any) would into insignificance compared to the violence the EDLers would like to deploy.
 
moon23 said:
I agree with Belboid, we had a chance to march of united, and instead UAF tried to convince people it was too dangerous. I was told by a UAF steward I would get my head bashed in if I left their fenced area. We could have actually made it to their demo and chanted over them, instead they got hours of being able to promote their racist filth to everyone by the bus station.

We are allowed to march you realize, that was once a democratic right.
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I heard no racist comments, nor racist chants from the EDL. What I did hear was chants against Muslim bombers, Al Qaeda and Sharia Law.

There were some heavies hanging about. A number eyed me up and down a few times. I have a body language that gives out 'don't fuck with me', so I was alright. :D Some lone student from the Home Counties on the other hand?
 
While this was going on, there was a Rally outside the Fire Station in Sheffield with striking Firefighers, B
Bus workers and Posties, should have been a positive thing, but tbh, the turn out was pitiful.
 
belboid said:
no, it isn't.
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It's society as a whole saying we do not tolerate a bunch of thugs marching around bullying people. Don't you see? The left/liberals have already won this war. We live in a PC world (not a shop) where racism and violence is not tolerated.

The police protect us from violence, as they did today.

We don't need the UAF (or if you're of a certain fucked up persuasion, the EDL) to protect us and if there is no chance using violence will help you win the political war. That will be done by words and intelligence...

any violence (and there needn't have been much, if any) would into insignificance compared to the violence the EDLers would like to deploy.
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Well that sounds like a pretty good argument not to provoke them into committing violence then! I saw both groups today, and I can say with 99% probability that the UAF group would have stood no chance against that bunch of thugs.

I'll turn your argument back on yourself about supporting violence...

What would the effect have been if the EDL had come up to the Headrow and kicked the shit out of everyone there and the UAF ran away?
 
treelover said:
Whel this was going on, there was a rally outside the Fire Station in Sheffield with striking firefighers, bus workers and posties, should have been a positive thing, but tbh, the turn out was pitiful.
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the sheffield coach was meant to be leaving to take people back in time for that - bhut the cops didn't let them out of the square in time!
 
taffboy gwyrdd said:
Bit of a relief all round MC5, hopefully they'll run out of steam at some point.

The asian bloke could well have been Indian. i've seen some muppets at least claiming to be Indian slagging off muslims on Youtube comments and stuff. Talk about naive.
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talk abut naive?? you heard of what happened in India in 1947?
 
taffboy gwyrdd said:
Bit of a relief all round MC5, hopefully they'll run out of steam at some point.

The asian bloke could well have been Indian. i've seen some muppets at least claiming to be Indian slagging off muslims on Youtube comments and stuff. Talk about naive.
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talk about racist. do you think people from the subcontinent all look the same?
 
from timeline

'Asian youth wearing Pakistani flags charging through streets"'


Whats all that about, they are British aren't they?
 
There may have been 'Asian youth wearing Pakistani flags charging through the streets', but I was there over three hours and I didn't see anyone fitting that description. The Asian youth I did see with a flag was waving a St George's flag. I can definitely say he wasn't wearing it.
 
EDL are crowing about Leeds - they are happy with the turnout and see this as another victory. Next stops are Nottingham and Glasgow and they are brimming with confidence.
 
treelover said:
from timeline

'Asian youth wearing Pakistani flags charging through streets"'


Whats all that about, they are British aren't they?
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You might like to read the truth The EDL is a nationalist, islamophobic RACIST organisation Just got back and all i watched and took images of was The EDL is a nationalist, islamophobic RACIST organisation and a few known faces.

Back at the library, groups of frustrated demonstrators attempted to leave the pen chanting “We want to march!”, only to be pushed back by a combination of the police and the UAF stewards, still seemingly trying to rally people to “defend the library”, despite the fact that the EDL were now sat on 2 coaches and without the stomach to even try. This seemed to be causing tension, and the police were stopping any groups from leaving the pen. A group which had got through, reformed and attempted to break through on Infirmary street were pushed back into the pen by police with batons.
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But we come to expect this from The UAF an utter disgrace to the left.

Organizations like ‘Unite Against Fascism’ (UAF) and ‘Hope Not Hate’ would probably agree with the above premise. However, while many of their rank and file supporters may be genuine in their intent, the organizations themselves have no real interest in defeating organized fascism. The UAF is a front-group dominated and controlled by the Trotskyite ‘Socialist Workers Party’ (SWP) who are far more interested in selling papers and recruiting members than in effectively confronting the BNP. ‘Hope Not Hate’ were set up by the State-affiliated entity ‘Searchlight’, who tell us we can stop the BNP by voting Labour and helping to strengthen the tools of the State itself (i.e. new laws.) Both groups merely seek to manipulate and exploit antifascists, and arguably their stupid politics must take some of the share of responsibility for the rise of the BNP in the first place. At best they are a waste of time.http://www.antifa.org.uk/nucleus3.32/nucleus332/index.php?itemid=208
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Ruling class anti-fascism

For this very reason it is mistaken to believe that the Labour and Conservative parties are allies in efforts to stop the growth of the BNP, as Unite Against Fascism does. UAF platforms often feature establishment politicians like Peter Hain, or even Sir Teddy Taylor, one of the most right-wing leaders of the Tories, because they are ‘anti-fascist’, and yet these are exactly the people at fault for the rise in the BNP vote. It is no good to accept the behaviour of the existing parties and keep silent about their racism and their capitalist ‘austerity and cuts’ consensus. This was shown when UAF’s Weyman Bennett, a member of the Socialist Workers Party, debated the BNP’s Simon Darby on the radio, steadfastly remaining ‘apolitical’ and saying nothing as Darby attacked bankers and free-market capitalism for causing the crisis—making it look as if the BNP were the only alternative on offer. This is a dead end both in terms of stopping people turning to the BNP, and stopping the media and political onslaught against immigrants.http://thecommune.wordpress.com/2009/10/22/get-this-racist-jack-straw-off-the-bbc/
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What I did see was an organised militant Asian youth charging through streets and giving The EDL what the far left have failed to do a right good kick, little wonder we see the rise of The BNP the left are a utter disgrace to the working class, once more today it was proven.
 
e19896 said:
What I did see was an organised militant Asian youth charging through streets and giving The EDL what the far left have failed to do a right good kick, little wonder we see the rise of The BNP the left are a utter disgrace to the working class, once more today it was proven.[/B]
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What would they have done come face to face with the guy wearing a Jewish skullcap, or the young Asian man waving a St George's flag, who today I saw amongst the EDL supporters?
 
CyberRose said:
But not a democratic right for the far right presumably?

I honestly don't think you'd have made it anywhere near City Square (not in enough numbers anyway)

All that would have happened is you'd have caused one hell of a riot with the police putting them, the public and yourselves in danger (not to mention how much worse it would have been if you'd somehow managed to get to City Square)

Hardly the most effective way to convince people of your message is it?
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No, i'm happy for the far right to try and march if they like, and disagree that we should like UAF call for try and get the state to ban them marching. I do however think they should be opposed on the streets, whilst the underlying failure of mainstream politics that has lead to this situation is also tackled.
 
CyberRose said:
That's just crazy! There's no way any sizeable groups would have got down Park Row. It's a big long street full of coppers and members of the public going shopping. All you would have achieved is causing a massive fight with the police and putting the public at an enormous risk. You wouldn't have been "protecting" anybody because as far as I'm aware the police did a good job of containing the EDL in City Square. And even if you had managed to get past two police lines and confronted the EDL, what then? What's a bunch of students gonna do against what appeared to be some of the most violent football hooligans from around the country? You'd be putting yourself at an unnecessary risk never mind the public!

The police get paid to protect the public, let them do it, don't make the situation worse for the people you claim to be protecting...
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According to the daily mail anti-facist campaigners are capable of causing CHAOS.... :D
 
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