Discussion in 'world politics, current affairs and news' started by MightyTibberton, Jan 9, 2018.
so is the arresst warrant being withdrawn?
I've only just come across this article... pretty amazing
Former Icelandic minister claims FBI tried to frame Julian Assange | Daily Mail Online
Yeh, I'm amazed it's taken you 13 months to find it
I don't recall seeing it on urban75, despite being involved in Assange threads. I don't see that it has been previously posted here at all.
Yeh. This goes some way towards explaining why it took you so long to find that mail article
Why? He's clearly guilty of contempt of court.
The latest legal attempts failed.
Assange arrest warrant still stands - court
What now then?
Sorry to be dumb but why won't he leave the embassy now that Sweden have decided they aren't pursuing him any more.
Breaching court bail isn't going to get him a life sentence is it. He could hand himself in on Monday and walk out of court on tuesday.
Even if he only has to walk through a court building, the whole 'threat of extradition' narrative they've been leaning on all along can still apply. They probably want him to be able to walk without going through any sort of process that temporarily impinges on his physical liberty at all. Good luck with that.
It is a real threat he is avoiding. Obviously.
I read that skipping bail has a maximum possible sentence of one year in prison. Not saying he would get that in practice. Guess it depends if the judge or magistrate wants to make an example of him really to stop anyone else trying the embassy thing.
There is quite clear case law where sentences of a maximum of a few weeks are to be expected. A one year sentence could be appealed and the appeal would more than likely win. There aren't that many aggravating factors in the case apart from him being an arse. You can't sentence the bail offence with regards to the substantive but have to take account of his behaviour whilst in breach and his reasons for breach. The fact he is in breach to avoid the substantive goes against him but is not as significant as if he had continued offending, for example. I would be extremely surprised if he got more than a couple of weeks - and even that could well be suspended. Or he could be handed unpaid work.
https://www.sentencingcouncil.org.uk/wp-content/uploads/web_Fail_to_Surrender_to_Bail.pdf goes into some depth
I remember reading a long piece of journalism by a guy who, iirc, had been hired to write a biog of Assange, but gave up the contract after discovering what a cunt he is. Part of that was about how lazy and entitled he is, expecting everybody to cater for him and clean up round him, in the mansion of the courtier he was staying in at the time. I think he would have an absolute horror at doing unpaid work - in fact the whole Embassy jaunt might be more about avoiding 28 days of cleaning graffiti off a wall rather than a lifetime in max security.
Good call. Think I read that too: LRB · Andrew O’Hagan · Ghosting: Julian Assange
Judge refuses to withdraw Julian Assange arrest warrant
The Ecuadorians must be fucking sick of him. Wtf happens now? He can't stay there forever.
So this was a follow up to last weeks ruling, same judge.
Here is the full ruling and a few choice quotes.
He'll probably try on all that free man of the land nonsense if he ever turns up in court.
And he is bound to try and claim his years in the embassy are "time served".
Stuff like that is already in the latest judgement. Quoting from the document was not that easy so I only did a few, but there was loads of stuff in there about the UN thing too.
Maybe i'm reading too much into it, but this bit below to me implies she thinks he needs a sentence at the higher end of the scale. I think the sentancing guide further up said max 3 months from a magistrates court or a year from crown court.
The UN stuff in the document was particulary amusing
One of the reasons I try to find time to read source documents is that journalists bringing us the story often only pick out a few headline jokes, and there is plenty more comedy to be found in the source material
Having said that I've probably not actually read that many judgements in full. But if there is one thing I had already learnt before Assange demonstrates it again here, its that judges tend to take a rather dim view of anything that could be seen to be diminishing the judge and the entire justice system that they are a part of. It is a matter, burb burb burb, of grave concern, that the public faith in this system could be diminished by the cowardly shenanigans of Mr Assange, should he be allowed to bugger orf without facing the robes.
The most elegant solution would be for the Ecuadorans to open another embassy nearby and close the current one with Mr Assange left in-situ.
Yes. Read the judgement in full and it couldn't be clearer. Substantial porridge awaits...
I liked this quote from the judge's ruling:
Justice is meant to be universally applied, but Assange seems to think he can pick & choose. It's notable that he's no stranger to the use of legal mechanisms when he wants to get his own way, but blithely disregards other legal processes that every single other member of society is expected to observe. And what kind of precedent would it set if he was allowed to get away with his shenanigans? If one person can dodge the legal system by hiding out in an embassy for a while, it would become open season - all embassies from countries without extradition treaties would be lining up to offer protection from the law to the highest bidder.
I understand why he doesn't want to be extradited to the US, and on that score I'm on his side. But there are legitimate ways of fighting extradition - that chap in the recent hacking case won his appeal against being extradited to the states, which shows it's entirely possible if the defendant has a good enough argument.
I don't even get how trying to get his bail jumping charges dropped helps his oft stated fear of a one way rendition class trip to ADX Florence. Say he got rid of those charges and left the embassy heading for Heathrow the US could issue an extradition order and have him picked up before he got to Hounslow on the Piccadilly line.
If he had half a brain he'd have found a compromise solution whilst Obama was in power, now that Trump's on the throne he's massively screwed. I imagine Trump will happily countenance water boarding at Guantanamo...
I hear he's cooked up a plan with the kindly old embassy coffin-maker: The next time an embassy employee dies, Assange gets smuggled out in the coffin and his accomplice will come along that night to dig him out of the grave.
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