Ecuador would like Julian Assange out of their embassy by the sounds of it.

Discussion in 'world politics, current affairs and news' started by MightyTibberton, Jan 9, 2018.

  1. squirrelp

    squirrelp Banned Banned

  2. squirrelp

    squirrelp Banned Banned

    So if it is true that Ecuador have granted diplomatic status to Julian Assange, our government has no choice but to recognize it. All we can do is ask him to leave.
  3. tim

    tim Well-Known Member

    Or the Venezuelan embassy, which at least would have a different view.
  4. Yossarian

    Yossarian free shrugs

    That's not how it works - foreign diplomats need to be accredited by the receiving nations. The government had the choice whether to recognize Assange's diplomatic status or not, and they chose not to.
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  5. squirrelp

    squirrelp Banned Banned

    Well please could you say where Craig Murray is wrong as his blog post appears comprehensively to demonstrate the opposite.
  6. Yossarian

    Yossarian free shrugs

    Article 9 1.The receiving State may at any time and without having to explain its decision, notify the sending State that the head of the mission or any member of the diplomatic staff of the mission is persona non grata or that any other member of the staff of the mission is not acceptable. In any such case, the sending State shall, as appropriate, either recall the person concerned or terminate his functions with the mission. A person may be declared non grata or not acceptable before arriving in the territory of the receiving State.

    2.If the sending State refuses or fails within a reasonable period to carry out its obligations under paragraph 1 of this article, the receiving State may refuse to recognize the person concerned as a member of the mission.
  7. squirrelp

    squirrelp Banned Banned

    yes, so they would have a reasonable time to recall him. From Murray's link:

    Plainly the only one of these which applies in the Assange case is Article 9. Julian Assange is persona non grata – unwelcome - to the UK government. That is a legitimate reply to notification, but comes following the appointment; it does not pre-empt the appointment.

    Here is the key point. A member of staff below head of mission can already have entered the country before appointment, and their diplomatic immunity starts from the moment their appointment is notified, and NOT from the moment it is accepted. Article 39 (i) could not be plainer:

    1.Every person entitled to privileges and immunities shall enjoy them from the moment he enters
    the territory of the receiving State on proceeding to take up his post or, if already in its territory, from
    the moment when his appointment is notified to the Ministry for Foreign Affairs or such other ministry
    as may be agreed.​
  8. Yossarian

    Yossarian free shrugs

    I think all that means in practice is that there may have been a brief window of time where Assange might have been able to claim diplomatic immunity if he had sneaked out of the embassy to do creepy sex stuff on British territory.

    "In any such case, the sending State shall, as appropriate, either recall the person concerned or terminate his functions with the mission."

    Terminating his "functions with the mission" would have been the "appropriate" step in this case, Ecuador can also "recall" him to Quito if it wishes, but before he can go there Assange will still be expected to answer for breaching his bail conditions years before the attempt to give him diplomatic immunity.
    Last edited: Jan 13, 2018
  9. Bahnhof Strasse

    Bahnhof Strasse Free the Sepsis Six!

    If he left the embassy under his new found diplomatic status he’d have been nicked on his way to Heathrow and held on remand whilst the Vienna convention was tested in a UK court.

    WPC Yvonne Fletcher’s murderer was allowed to leave under this convention, most who are accused of serious crimes that are valid in the protected’s country of origin too have their immunity waived to face the force of the law.
    The convention exists to stop diplomats getting nicked for trivial offences, possibly due to cultural insensitivity, that would cause agg between both countries. What Equador is trying is blatant abuse of the convention and so likely to fail in court.
  10. squirrelp

    squirrelp Banned Banned

    Alleged murderer, I would guess.
    I would have thought that it is more to do with being able to carry out your country's mission without fear of becoming a political prisoner.
  11. Bahnhof Strasse

    Bahnhof Strasse Free the Sepsis Six!

    No, actual murderer. The fatal shot came from inside the embassy, everyone inside the embassy was allowed to travel back to Tripoli.
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  12. rich!

    rich! stalin tache

    would need to go through a court of law to turn it from "alleged" to "actual" as far as any public statement in the UK would go. Including posts on bulletin boards &C.
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  13. Bahnhof Strasse

    Bahnhof Strasse Free the Sepsis Six!

    When the murderer’s dead it’s not an issue.
  14. squirrelp

    squirrelp Banned Banned

    Or next door which had links to various spooky agencies. Dispatches (Channel 4) had an episode, "Murder in St. James's" 1996 devoted to the subject.

    The Murder of Policewoman WPC Yvonne Fletcher -

    Dispatches Documentary (geolocked)
  15. rich!

    rich! stalin tache

    I bow to your greater experience clearing your names :)
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  16. Bahnhof Strasse

    Bahnhof Strasse Free the Sepsis Six!

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  17. Smangus

    Smangus comatose at a desk

    assange is a knobber, Ecuador have made a rod for their own back. diplomatic status bollocks, the man' delusional.
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  18. squirrelp

    squirrelp Banned Banned

    Why the fuck would Libyan diplomatic staff shoot WPC Yvonne Fletcher? And this is the real reason for the Libyans all leaving without any of them being apprehended or the embassy stormed - they had nothing to do with it.
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  19. Bahnhof Strasse

    Bahnhof Strasse Free the Sepsis Six!

    Who do you think dun it Sherlock?
  20. Pickman's model

    Pickman's model Every man and every woman is a star

    It wasn't an embassy but a Libyan people's bureau
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  21. Pickman's model

    Pickman's model Every man and every woman is a star

    And fuck off
  22. Ralph Llama


    Well yes, but stopping that space launch was pretty cool though. oh and changing the perspective of the world media.
  23. Dogsauce

    Dogsauce Lord of the Dance Settee

  24. andysays

    andysays Defiantly non-premium member

    I'm utterly shocked to see squirrelp sticking up for Assange and using various shonky sources in an attempt to support his position.
    Shocked, I tell you, shocked...
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  25. editor

    editor Taffus Maximus

    Don't ever link to filthy disgusting sites like that again please.
  26. littleseb

    littleseb littleseb

    anybody linking to Holocaust denial should get instantly permabanned, imo.
    Last edited: Jan 14, 2018
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  27. Isn’t holocaust denial denial just holocaust acceptance?
  28. littleseb

    littleseb littleseb

    :D suppose so. Edited now:thumbs:
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  29. MochaSoul

    MochaSoul It's being enslaved of your own free will

    If I didn't reread my writing I'd post an infinity of comments with repeated words.
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  30. squirrelp

    squirrelp Banned Banned

    I see nothing objectionable in the article I linked to, which I'd just found on google. It looks well argued and informative. I don't much care what else is on the site which of course I didn't check, but seeing as you guys do, consider it retracted.

    I leave you with the Dispatches programme on Channel 4 1996 which I am sure proves the WPC Yvonne Fletcher assassination as a false flag.

    What's wrong with Dispatches? :confused:

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