Eat the Jews!!!

[rachamim18]

Phil: Well, the Said clan is well known in Jerusalem and I do know that the family owned a large house in the city but the part where it goes askew is where Said claims to have grown up there and gone to St. George's. Noone remembers him and there is nothing with his name on it.

You are correct that he never advocated destruction of Israel, and I guess something that I here to fore considered silly could have merely been symbolic on his part . In fact, that act as proved by my referral of it accomplished what he probably sought, dialogue and a sense of futility.

Of course I know "Orientalism." Unlike most academics who believe that because they have a degree in one field they are then qualified enough to hold forth on anything under the sun, Chomsky being a prime example, Said made some valid points. I do not agree with his aim, nor his methodology but unlike alot of people he is pooled with I find him readable.

In unkinder terms I have called him a fraud and in the sense that he misrepresented his childhood, I would be hypocritical not to touch on it because he built so much of his work on the Mid-East around these supposed childhood memories and experiences. However THAT does not negate his other contributions.

On Nino: He just seems to get fixated on certain people, I being one, Canuck being another. I wonder about all that misplaced effort but I do know, as Mooncat said, Nino does brighten up the place. I mean, anyoine with that much rage just has to make you smile, right?

 

[nino_savatte]

On Nino: He just seems to get fixated on certain people, I being one, Canuck being another. I wonder about all that misplaced effort but I do know, as Mooncat said, Nino does brighten up the place. I mean, anyoine with that much rage just has to make you smile, right?

You can repeat that canard as much as you like, it doesn't make it true...but then, you know nothing of the truth.

Interesting that you should mention the Canuck.

You also missed the point of Mooncat's post by a country mile.

Post reported.

 

[phildwyer]

Phil: Well, the Said clan is well known in Jerusalem and I do know that the family owned a large house in the city but the part where it goes askew is where Said claims to have grown up there and gone to St. George's. Noone remembers him and there is nothing with his name on it.

Not true. You seem to have accepted the obvious smear-job perpetrated by Justus Weiner. Christopher Hitchens nailed this long ago:

"I know myself, from speaking to former teachers and pupils, that Said was -- like his father before him -- indeed a student at St. George's School in Jerusalem. An Armenian classmate named Haig Boyagian and a former instructor, Michel Marmoura, are both in North America and easily located. Weiner makes the cretinous error of citing another schoolmate, David Ezra, who while mentioned in Said's recollections does not recall things as Edward recalls them. Maybe so: But misremembering a boy from the school is not quite the same as inventing him."

http://www.salon.com/news/feature/1999/09/07/said/index1.html

I've seen interviews with at least one other former teacher there which confirm his attendance. Why anyone would pretend to be a Palestinian given the vehemently pro-Israeli climate of American academia is beyond me. And finally, you met Said yourself. Be honest: did he seem like a liar to you? Or did he seem, as he did to me, a man of obvious, visible and striking sincerity?

 

[phildwyer]

On Nino: He just seems to get fixated on certain people, I being one, Canuck being another. I wonder about all that misplaced effort but I do know, as Mooncat said, Nino does brighten up the place. I mean, anyoine with that much rage just has to make you smile, right?

As you know I am not currently at liberty to ridicule, mock, laugh at or deride Nino in this forum. But please feel free to do it for me.

 

[editor]

As you know I am not currently at liberty to ridicule, mock, laugh at or deride Nino in this forum. But please feel free to do it for me.

No. Incitement to stir by proxy is not on. Stop this now.

 

[rachamim18]

Nino: Nino angry? Egad where have I ever seen that before?


Phil: No, not based on their work, based on Israeli media investigative journalists who got me interested in the whole brouhaha as well as things I cannot talk about. See, people like Said have dossiers a yard wide , as does anyone involved with Israel in any way, including Israelis of course. Before I trust a sympathetic left wing source I would trust an AMAN dossier which do not care about a person's political orientation as much as the facts. Fact is, and we will agree to disagree on this, he had family from there, his father even spent most of HIS childhood in Jerusalem but Said did not although he certainly could have visited when he was very young.

He did not go to St. George because if he did the people that ran the school would have said so and even if they did not the record would have been inescapable and it just does not exist. Meaning, there IS a record of course but he is not included in any class for any year.

I would not say he was not "Palestinian" as much as the term is a modern invention. My father is "Palestinian" given that anyone born within the Britsh Mandate from the Syrian border on back is listed as one on their ID papers (my dad's case being his birth certificate) prior to 1948. When Said was born there was no such People. There were Arabs there, most certainly but when asked to describe themselves almost all said they were either Syrian or Egyptian depending on the part of the land they were connected to.

It was in 48 of course that Southern Syrians as they were known coopted the label "Palestinian" when Mandate Jews became Israelis and the name was up for grabs and gave one (ignorantly) a sense of being connected to the land's history.

So, since after 48 his parents would have been called "Palestinian," he could call himself one all day long but the truth is, he never lived there. He is said to have visted for short periods very early on , from Cairo, and I have every reason to believe that.

"Why would anyone label themself 'Palestinian' in a pro-Israeli' environment.?": Phillllllllll, you of all people should know what kind of environment Columbia accords. For that matter, most any N. American or Western Euroepan University. Universities are hotbeds of leftist this or that and to be "Palestinian" would offer at least as much cache as being Native American like that blowfish from Colorado who fakes his ancestry and came out after 9/11 with a bunch of rabid nonsense. White Liberal Guilt is all pervasive, combined with the natural rebelliousness of bougie 18 to 22 year olds make it a winning proposition. Heck, it would make the right Professor a rockstar...as it did to Said. Said DID have a solid academic platform but built his career around his politics, as some choose to do.

"Not at liberty.": They are definitely onto us but the truth shall prevail. Maybe we should start our own grassroots organisation..."Posters Organised against Eternal Malcontents," or "POEM" for short. We will defeat them Phil, have faith.

Uh oh, maybe Nino will report me again....YIKES.

 

[phildwyer]

Nino: Nino angry? Egad where have I ever seen that before?


Phil: No, not based on their work, based on Israeli media investigative journalists who got me interested in the whole brouhaha as well as things I cannot talk about. See, people like Said have dossiers a yard wide , as does anyone involved with Israel in any way, including Israelis of course. Before I trust a sympathetic left wing source I would trust an AMAN dossier which do not care about a person's political orientation as much as the facts. Fact is, and we will agree to disagree on this, he had family from there, his father even spent most of HIS childhood in Jerusalem but Said did not although he certainly could have visited when he was very young.

He did not go to St. George because if he did the people that ran the school would have said so and even if they did not the record would have been inescapable and it just does not exist. Meaning, there IS a record of course but he is not included in any class for any year.

I would not say he was not "Palestinian" as much as the term is a modern invention. My father is "Palestinian" given that anyone born within the Britsh Mandate from the Syrian border on back is listed as one on their ID papers (my dad's case being his birth certificate) prior to 1948. When Said was born there was no such People. There were Arabs there, most certainly but when asked to describe themselves almost all said they were either Syrian or Egyptian depending on the part of the land they were connected to.

It was in 48 of course that Southern Syrians as they were known coopted the label "Palestinian" when Mandate Jews became Israelis and the name was up for grabs and gave one (ignorantly) a sense of being connected to the land's history.

So, since after 48 his parents would have been called "Palestinian," he could call himself one all day long but the truth is, he never lived there. He is said to have visted for short periods very early on , from Cairo, and I have every reason to believe that.

"Why would anyone label themself 'Palestinian' in a pro-Israeli' environment.?": Phillllllllll, you of all people should know what kind of environment Columbia accords. For that matter, most any N. American or Western Euroepan University. Universities are hotbeds of leftist this or that and to be "Palestinian" would offer at least as much cache as being Native American like that blowfish from Colorado who fakes his ancestry and came out after 9/11 with a bunch of rabid nonsense. White Liberal Guilt is all pervasive, combined with the natural rebelliousness of bougie 18 to 22 year olds make it a winning proposition. Heck, it would make the right Professor a rockstar...as it did to Said. Said DID have a solid academic platform but built his career around his politics, as some choose to do.

"Not at liberty.": They are definitely onto us but the truth shall prevail. Maybe we should start our own grassroots organisation..."Posters Organised against Eternal Malcontents," or "POEM" for short. We will defeat them Phil, have faith.

Uh oh, maybe Nino will report me again....YIKES.

Here's Said's own rebuttal of Weiner. It's worth reading it all, but I cite only the passage about his school:

"He says that I didn't attend St George's School. This too is an outright lie. He does not admit that the school's records end in l946, and I was there in 1947 or that my father and cousins had attended the school starting in 1906. Had he been a decent researcher he might have sought out one of my classmates, Haig Boyagian (who lives in the US now and quite coincidentally called me a week ago) and my math teacher, Michel Marmoura, a retired professor at the University of Toronto, for verification. The one classmate, David Ezra, Weiner consulted didn't remember me, though I remember him. If Weiner found him and ascertained he was at St. George's in 1947 does that mean I invented him?"

http://www.counterpunch.org/said2.html

I can't comment on your sources that you can't discuss, obviously. But you don't answer my question as to whether he seemed, in person, like a liar to you. Did he?

As to the advantage or otherwise of being a Palestinian in US academia, you do have a point with regard to Said's own career. But things could easily have gone the other way, and surely you must concede that criticism of Israel is increasingly unacceptable. Said's office was broken into and ransacked by the JDL, he received numerous death threats and harrassment of various sorts, as you must have witnessed on campus. It seems like an awful lot of trouble to sign up for unless you have to.

 

[rachamim18]

Phil: On Said's rebuttal...It fits with my belief since he claims to have attened but one year and a year in which we were already at war and most Arabs in JErusalem save the poorest of the poor had already left the city. As well off as he was I find it strange that his family would have allowed him to stay and attened, especially since he is claiming that it was his first and only year. Why start a new school , a crucial age to boot, and having to negotiate all the adjustment, etc. admist the war?

To answer your question, I have to admit that it COULD be due to inherent bias since I knew his work long before I sat in that class. I went in with one perception and it did not change. It is really difficult ot gauge someones' veracity from that personal distance. We did not interact in any way, so it was left to my observing his general behavoir and that left me with no real impression. Alot of students seemed like they idolised him.


While I do not agree with the death threats are the work of the Kahanists in that particular case, I think he brought trouble to himself and compounded it by standing by Massad.

Could the approval go another way, well, hahaha, maybe at Oral Roberts University but with very few exceptions tenure is tenure as long as your academic platform is secure. One's outside life, as in political views rarely comes into play. Finkelstein had problems because of his academic work and it allowed the school to boot him. So, Said was safe in that his forte was appreciated and he did not over step his bounds with his on campus agitation which was hardly evident at all. All he did was make a stand with the Mid-East Studies group and one academic offering support to another is not looked down upon...Thank G-D.

 

[phildwyer]

Phil: On Said's rebuttal...It fits with my belief since he claims to have attened but one year and a year in which we were already at war and most Arabs in JErusalem save the poorest of the poor had already left the city. As well off as he was I find it strange that his family would have allowed him to stay and attened, especially since he is claiming that it was his first and only year. Why start a new school , a crucial age to boot, and having to negotiate all the adjustment, etc. admist the war?

That's hardly a sufficient reason to doubt his word. Apart from anything else, why would he lie about it? It doesn't alter the fact that he was born and at least partly raised in Jerusalem, or that he came from a very prominent Palestinain family. And any such lie would be easily detected. There are many better ways to attack his credentials, such as the undisputed fact that he spent his adult life in the USA, if that is what one wants to do.

To answer your question, I have to admit that it COULD be due to inherent bias since I knew his work long before I sat in that class. I went in with one perception and it did not change. It is really difficult ot gauge someones' veracity from that personal distance. We did not interact in any way, so it was left to my observing his general behavoir and that left me with no real impression. Alot of students seemed like they idolised him.

I wouldn't use that word, but he was certainly the best teacher I ever knew, and a man of startling intelligence, learning and integrity. I am surprised that you don't seem to have been impressed.

While I do not agree with the death threats are the work of the Kahanists in that particular case, I think he brought trouble to himself and compounded it by standing by Massad.

Could the approval go another way, well, hahaha, maybe at Oral Roberts University but with very few exceptions tenure is tenure as long as your academic platform is secure. One's outside life, as in political views rarely comes into play. Finkelstein had problems because of his academic work and it allowed the school to boot him. So, Said was safe in that his forte was appreciated and he did not over step his bounds with his on campus agitation which was hardly evident at all. All he did was make a stand with the Mid-East Studies group and one academic offering support to another is not looked down upon...Thank G-D.

Well there is something of a contradiction between these two paragraphs. Either he brought trouble on his own head or he did not. I don't see how anyone could say he deserved to have his office trashed or to receive death threats (not that you've said that of course), given the studiedly moderate nature of his positions--in fact he was threatened by militant Arabs as well as by militant pro-Israelis. It may be true that his career benefitted from his background, but he also suffered a great deal because of it--he actually had to carry a gun iirc.

 

[rachamim18]

Phil: "Why would Said lie about it?": Well of course to give himself more cache. It is alot different saying, "I was raised in Jerusalem and saw the conflict firsthand" than to say," I was living in a luxurious environment in Cairo and heard my elders talking about it in hushed tones." It offered him perhaps, a greater rationale for his personal crusade. Our early years are what makes us who we are if you buy into "Nurture" (as in "Nature versus Nurture") and certainly having had one's early years in 1947 Jerusalem would offer a perfect rationale for a lifelong crusade to recover a "stolen homeland." It is a bit tiring when one is merely crusading for the homeland of one's parents,etc. because many could poke holes in that ambition...

"That he spent his entire adult life in the US.": See Phil, that is just it! By spending his adult life in posh circumstances he would have been laughed at by most anyone connected to the "Struggle" UNLESS he had had a personal involvement in al Nakhba. Ergo if he did noone could possibly say, "Said, you have never suffered what we have, you were in Cairo reading comic books when we were undergoing the horrors of fighting for our 'homeland'."

You know, the questions you pose are ones I myself have considered in thinking about the man. I often try to evaluate people as fairly as possible. I play the Devil's Advocate. I ask myself what I would do were I in their shoes,etc. It makes for a fairer evaluation and opinion I think. In thinking about Said though, I have not been able to dislodge my feelings, and I HAVE asked myself after this thread began, whether or not it is because of my inherent bias combined with my not wanting to see him in a different light. I still feel I have read him correctly but in the end it is not that important an issue to torture myself over. There will always be those who support his memory and his actions and those like myself who seek to dismiss them for various reasons.


"Impressed.": Hmmm...I can come off really bad saying this but as a Jew raised in a traditional manner I was surrounded by startling intellects. We are a rote and memory culture and begin our schooling (dawn to dusk 5 days a week, half day on the 6th) at age 3. Ergo, he was not going to impress me on that level unless he changed the world and as important as English is nowadays, it is not vital in my world. I was hoping, in being there, to leanr more about the man. I was naive because the size and set up of the class was never going to allow that unless he pulled a Massad and asked for hands on a subject I was intimately involved with...as Massad did to one of my mates and started the whole nonsense (mate in the sense that we were both in the IDF, I personally did not know that soldier until after the mess began).

"Contradiction between the 2 paragraphs.": I do not see it. See, he DID bring trouble to himself in his seemingly radical positioning and standing with the bigot Massad (I HAD to toss THAT adjective in ) but it is also correct that Columbia did not penalise him for it. You are right that I did not say I supported the Kahanist "Actions" against him. I do not admire violence (and ransacking an office is a violent act) for the sake of violence. Violence is a tool to be used defensively, albeit if sometimes in a proactive fashion. I have been trained in that mentality since I was inducted and do not agree with many Kahanist views on the utility of violence.


Kahanists have excused it by offering that in his position he aided and abetted actual violence, which can or cannot be true depending on your way of looking at things, as well as his act of symbolic violence (stone throwing at the Lebanese border) but I do not see it that way. Actual action is neccessary. Action can be construed as him ordering an underling to commit acts of violence but of course this was not Said. Said was an academic with a fringe connection to an issue. The issue undoubtedly coloured his life as his family, like any family, would have been incessantly going on about it his entire life and it gave him an ingrained sense of having been wronged. Still, he was an individual and the groups he DID associate with were not violent to my knowledge, so violence would never be excused in my mind.

"Carrying a gun.": THAT was an intelligent move. He brought alot of attention to himself. I feel naked without mine. In fact, in this world, I cannot understand anyone who does not carry it but then most people do not travel the same circles and I have to remember that. Said took care of himself and that is never stupid. Like Voltaire, "I do not agree with his shitck but I (well I would not die for Said, let us be honest) would die for his right to engage in it (roughly paraphrased)." The idea though is one and the same. As long as he did not further his cause by the use of random violence against innocents, then I supported his right to engage in Free Speech. I also supported my own right to disagree with him.

 

[phildwyer]

"Impressed.": Hmmm...I can come off really bad saying this but as a Jew raised in a traditional manner I was surrounded by startling intellects. We are a rote and memory culture and begin our schooling (dawn to dusk 5 days a week, half day on the 6th) at age 3. Ergo, he was not going to impress me on that level

Believe me, I did not attend Columbia University without forming the keenest appreciation of the Jewish attitude to learning. I was 23 when I arrived there, and I'm afraid I thought I was pretty hot stuff. That pathetic illusion did not long survive the experience of finding myself in a seminar room full of intensely ambitious, ruthlessly competitive Upper West Side Jews. It permanetly transformed my conception of what real intellectual work involves. But having said all that, I *still* found Said the most impressive intellect I'd ever encountered, and the vast majority of my Jewish contemporaries felt the same.

"Carrying a gun.": THAT was an intelligent move. He brought alot of attention to himself. I feel naked without mine. In fact, in this world, I cannot understand anyone who does not carry it but then most people do not travel the same circles and I have to remember that.

You carry a gun in New York City? That's got to be illegal, right? Personally I would never carry there with the post-Giuliani policing. But I recently moved to one of the states that actually practices gun freedom rather than just preaching it, and I shall certainly be tooling up: a 357 for me and a saturday night special for the gf. Quiet apart from the duty of self-defence, I regard the right to bear arms as a matter of political principle.

 

[rachamim18]

Phil: Well, it is true that my interaction was severely limited so I would not have gotten to evaluate his intellect as most regular students would, and so on.

As for the gun. Her in NYC I do carry it. I live, well you know the area. If you ever go over to Bluelight.ru and go to the Gallery forum and type in my name as Rachamim you will find loads of photos of me, my life, wife, home,etc and you will see my appearance. Aside from speaking Spanish perfectly without an accent, I look Irish (hahaha) so...I am a Mark as they say. I have gotten into several brutal fights over the years but never robbed here. One in particular, in St. Mary's Park convinced me that I ought never go out without a piece so, SWIM (as a convicted felon in THIS country it is certainly illegal for me to have it on my person so I add the hypothetical SWIM that we used to use on the Hive) carries either a pea shooting 22 revolver to a 45 military issue refurbished US Army issue circa 72. Not bad as 45s go. The 22 is worth didly save as target practice, only goo doe in flight and of course that is not an option.

45s from the generation I mentioned have propensity to jam, but...what can I do?

At home, in Mindanao, I have an M16I, a mini Uzi that I sold to an incle we are nor feuding with....niiiice, 4 chromed 45s, 1 for me and the other 3 were presents to my father in law and 2 oldest bros-in-law, and am buying with my wife as a front since I an ex pat, two P32s, one for me, one for Dad as I call my father in law. P32 beats anything in my book save my IDF issued Jericho which I am trying to get shipped by pouch to Manila. We will see, we will see. I am also trying to see if they are allowing proivate sales of the new Tavors. You familiar with them? They even have a hinged version now.


In the last war they were supposed to give my Battalion the regular Tavor with a 204 launcher but we missed out. Only 2 of the Brigades got them on a limited basis. This piece is G-D's gift. All composites, 11 kilos, the hinged model can fire around corners, it has a camera attachment that sees around those corners, amazing stuff.


We also have rifles belonging to Dad, a few 12s, including sawed off, and 30s but we need them. Mindanao is a very, very violent place. That coming from an Israeli, ha!

 

[phildwyer]

As for the gun. Her in NYC I do carry it. I live, well you know the area. If you ever go over to Bluelight.ru and go to the Gallery forum and type in my name as Rachamim you will find loads of photos of me, my life, wife, home,etc and you will see my appearance. Aside from speaking Spanish perfectly without an accent, I look Irish (hahaha) so...I am a Mark as they say.

Blimey. You are not what I expected at all. You look like a plumber from Essex, I can see why you'd stand out in the South Bronx. Incidentally, will you be in NYC in August? I will, and I'd consider it a pleasure to buy you a drink.

 

[rachamim18]

Phil: Hahahaha. As you see, most picture me much different. I look nothing like the so called stereotypical Jew. In Israel, sometimes I am taken for a tourist. Funny, there we have Jews of every conceivible physical type and yet in Jewish minds I do not fit. Well you should have seen me as a youth. I should post pictures of me with the sidelocks,etc.

August? I might be although my wife is begging me to return early and I am trying to bvaragin for longer than July (hahaha). I hate it here but it offers alot more things to do than the middle of Mindanao's jungle.

 

[phildwyer]

Phil: Hahahaha. As you see, most picture me much different. I look nothing like the so called stereotypical Jew. In Israel, sometimes I am taken for a tourist. Funny, there we have Jews of every conceivible physical type and yet in Jewish minds I do not fit. Well you should have seen me as a youth. I should post pictures of me with the sidelocks,etc.

August? I might be although my wife is begging me to return early and I am trying to bvaragin for longer than July (hahaha). I hate it here but it offers alot more things to do than the middle of Mindanao's jungle.

Yes, you're possibly the least stereotypically Jewish-looking Jew I've ever seen. Are you familiar with Shaun Ryder? You look like a much younger and fitter version of him.

I'll be in NYC mid-August, so I'll see if you're still there nearer the time.

 

[rachamim18]

Shaun Riyder? No, I have never heard the name. August it is (if I can fend my wife off a bit more hahaah, especially hahaha if she is reading this).

 

[phildwyer]

Shaun Riyder? No, I have never heard the name. August it is (if I can fend my wife off a bit more hahaah, especially hahaha if she is reading this).

Don't take offence (I did say much younger and fitter) but you remind me a bit of Mr. Ryder:

http://blogs.manchestereveningnews.co.uk/bourne/Shaun after.jpg

I hope we can meet in August, you can show me round the new Mott Haven, or I could show you round the new Lower East Side...

 

[rachamim18]

Yikes!!! That was some face. Hhahahahaah. Maybe, but I sure do not see it. I will tell my wife to look and see what she says. LES? The actress Tatum O'neal got popped there last week buying crack. It has changed ALOT though.

 

[phildwyer]

LES? The actress Tatum O'neal got popped there last week buying crack. It has changed ALOT though.

Yes, apparently she told the cops she was researching for a movie role as a junkie! I'm amazed she could find a spot there though, as you say it is very, very different from fifteen or twenty years ago. Open-air drug bazaars are so twentieth-century...

 

[rachamim18]

Heck, that is EXACTLY what Fonda's daughter told the press back when I was very young. Their lawyer is a kinsman of mine, Roberto Kalina (known to the Bar as Robert Kalina) and I loved hearing all the second hand trash. SHE had caught buying fixins' for a speedball. It never stops. I wonder if it was the same project!

Ha! Just remembered that 2 other celebs got caught in the same spot, David Lee Roth of Van Halen and Scott Weiland of the STP. So stupid. You have that cash, and exposure, pay a unky you know to do the leg work.

ALLEGEDLY I almost always do that and I am far from the public eye. 50 bucks, or even 10 for a junkie who only needs to go up the street, is not a big price to pay. She has kids with McEnroe and she could lose visitation now the moron.


The stories I could tell about celebrity junkies I have seen over the years. Most of it never gets to the press.

On Open Air Bazaars, they disappeared almost over night in 1997 with Giuliani's "Quality of Life Campaign." The idea was not his but an analyst with then then Transit Police (all NYC depts. have long since been consilidated into a single department albeit with different bureaus to keep up the semblance of a useless bureaucracy).

I can literally remember it...I was visiting in the spring of 97, walking from Hunts Point over to my auntie's flat in Webster PJS (E169 and Webster Ave, the project is part of the behemoth Claremont Village which is istself the largest number of Public Housing residents and units in the nation, although Quuensbridge is the largest single PJ).

On this long walk pitchers were calling out left and right. 2 days later, not a sound. I now see a spot here and there but they have a lifespan (estimating of course) of no more than 2 weeks each. Everything is cellular now.

At the same time, open air tactics have shifted to northern NJ like Newark, Irvington, and Paterson, the last being like the South Bronx circa 1988. I was there in 2005, and every corner was "Dude, whachyoo wan (sic), Diesel or Girl?"

In the city, if they do not know you, and you are not black or Hispanic, forget it which is really ignorant considering the amount of minority police officers on the job but that is how they choose to deal with it.

The say that every 20 years NYC neighbourhoods totally reinvent themselves. In this case it took 40 years but the South Bronx has done so.

 

[phildwyer]

Heck, that is EXACTLY what Fonda's daughter told the press back when I was very young. Their lawyer is a kinsman of mine, Roberto Kalina (known to the Bar as Robert Kalina) and I loved hearing all the second hand trash. SHE had caught buying fixins' for a speedball. It never stops. I wonder if it was the same project!

It was Clinton St., which is yuppie central these days. I'd have thought only scammers worked there now, but I guess she was unlucky enough to find the last crack dealer on the LES. The rooftop of my building used to overlook Clinton to the south and 2nd St to the north, so I spent many an evening observing the drama--literally millions of dollars used to change hands every night on those corners. Makes you wonder what hapened to the people who depended on that income (which of course includes many police officers and other outwardly respectable types).

Ha! Just remembered that 2 other celebs got caught in the same spot, David Lee Roth of Van Halen and Scott Weiland of the STP. So stupid. You have that cash, and exposure, pay a unky you know to do the leg work.

Unless I suppose you run out halfway through a binge and feel unable to wait th 30 minutes it would take to summon such a flunky. Which, considering the number of celebs who get popped down there, must be a frequent occurence.

ALLEGEDLY I almost always do that and I am far from the public eye. 50 bucks, or even 10 for a junkie who only needs to go up the street, is not a big price to pay.

It is if they run off with your money. What precautions do you take against this eventuality?

The stories I could tell about celebrity junkies I have seen over the years.

Oh, go on.

 

[nino_savatte]

What is this thread about?

 

[tangentlama]

No idea. It seems to be being used to bump down the more important threads in the ME forum.
Suggest we don't feed the troll.

 

[phildwyer]

No idea. It seems to be being used to bump down the more important threads in the ME forum.

You are a tad paranoid my friend.

 

[rachamim18]

Phil: Yeah, those were the days. Up here, Boy George's main spot on St. John's was taking in 250,000 US every 24 hours which is incredible (and I believe has to be exaggerrated but that is the claim) so yeah, without a doubt ALOT of cash was flowing.


Yeah, it is possible to run out I guess. So many of them get popped it does make you wonder.

On precautions. Well it is always one I know from way back and I am always right there. You know, over here, theoretically they can charge everyone but in reality only the person holding the substance takes the weight. 50 dollars is a fortuine to a crack head and I make sure they understand the ramifications before hand. In Jersey is can get you 3 to 5 years but that is a choice they make. I give the cash, have them walk with me, do the talking, tell them to hand it over, and we leave. Not until we cross the GWB do I tell them to hand it over but that is years ago already.

In a way I feel guilty, because I know that it is desperation that drives them but they are not puppets.


Yeah Phil!!!!! Do not feed the roll!!! Hahahahaha. As if some intellectually enlightening content would all of a sudden rise out of the ashes.


If it is a choice between my being insulted or talking in a congenial way, wonder what I would pick? Hmmmmm.