Taxamo Welf
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Is barnsley really lost to the BNP as bad as the others you mention
I missed that if so.
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Is barnsley really lost to the BNP as bad as the others you mention
I missed that if so.
Yeah but the establishment these days is the fucking Labour party isn't it? For the best part of the last 11 years the establishment was twats like Prescott, not really a toff was he.
It's all great bashing the Tories, but for god sake Labour have been just as bad at the end of the day. I feel sorry for my folks and grandfolks who supported the Labour party through the winter of discontent, miners strike, my old man being made redundant in the early 90's recession etc. to see them get into power and destory more then the Tories could have dreamed of....
TomPaine
Taxamo Welf
kebagels pls
sortov, and sortovnot.
The labour party has been the public face of the establishment, or established system, with some amount of legislative power all of its own, for 11 years. But 'the establishment' in normal parlance refers to the people who *are* the establishment, not its political wing - and this still has remarkable number of straight up toffs in it. This is because land ownership (which many of them have had in their family since 1066) is still a hugely profitable and powerful asset. It is also because large amounts of money rarely dissipates, it concentrates - so people who were rich in the past will have descendents who are even richer now - and they'll also inherit the accompanying culture.
This is all largely irrelevant, its a systemic problem, not a case of cruel aristo's Disney-style.
But they still fuck me off.
I agree about the artisto twats, but to be honest these days whilst they may be minted and fuck off to the Alps skiing every year or whatever, the sort of New Labour trendy muppets who seem to work in Media, along with the party itself have fucked up more in this country then the sort of toff types in the Tories could have dreamed of.
I could never vote Labour now, ever. Total scum.
TomPaine
I could never vote Labour now, ever. Total scum.
TomPaine
Nigel
For A Degenerates' Workers State
Did'nt Prescott go to Oxford, same college I went to.
I have sympathy with what you are saying its just one big game to them and lots of ole' boys clubs to highten their careers in the despotic & nepotistic manner they have for centuries. However the history of the Labour Party is distinctly different the that of Conservatives, many good grass root socialists involved (and still) in Labour.
Misguided in my opinion.
Stroppyoldgit
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Not yet
OK, Barnsley isn't yet, but it's certainly fertile territory for them. It's the sort of mainly white town where they are extending their influence at present, unlike the other two. Dagenham was the first example. Stoke on Trent and places nearby are more recent ones.
It's in areas like these with loads of what might be called "upper" working class white people, living in mortgaged homes, driving cars, heavily in debt but able to keep jogging along and consuming as long as they have reasonably well paid jobs, that the recession is just beginning to hit with a huge wallop. Barnsley and its satellites have substantial areas like this. Not all ex-miners on the bones of their arse and their kids on scag, you know! (Though there are areas like that too.)
We need to be thinking about these places and how to make sure the BNP's racism and facile "solutions" don't wash amongst people who're seeing much that they took for granted going down the toilet.
Is barnsley really lost to the BNP as bad as the others you mention
I missed that if so.
OK, Barnsley isn't yet, but it's certainly fertile territory for them. It's the sort of mainly white town where they are extending their influence at present, unlike the other two. Dagenham was the first example. Stoke on Trent and places nearby are more recent ones.
It's in areas like these with loads of what might be called "upper" working class white people, living in mortgaged homes, driving cars, heavily in debt but able to keep jogging along and consuming as long as they have reasonably well paid jobs, that the recession is just beginning to hit with a huge wallop. Barnsley and its satellites have substantial areas like this. Not all ex-miners on the bones of their arse and their kids on scag, you know! (Though there are areas like that too.)
We need to be thinking about these places and how to make sure the BNP's racism and facile "solutions" don't wash amongst people who're seeing much that they took for granted going down the toilet.
teuchter
je suis teuchter
Please read my post no. 73 on this thread where I quite explicitly say that one of the situations in which I can see physical violence being justified is in self-defence.
This is based on an assumption that, if I were to call the police and say that I am being threatened with or have been subject to physical violence, this would get beaten up by them. This I believe to be a false assumption. Can you give me an example of people, or "whole communities" being "beaten up" by police as a result of reporting intimidation or violence?
Of course others have different experiences, pressures and problems to mine. But I am not buying your suggestion that this disallows me to question or comment on their actions, or even that doing so indicates a lack of respect.
I'm sure you don't have any opinions on anything except those things which you have directly experienced yourself. Your thoughts on policing, and your belief that every policeman is a violent gangster, are no doubt based on your time serving in the police force. And I'm sure you have never commented on the actions of a politician, unless of course you have also served time as a member of parliament, in which case doing so would not represent a lack of respect.
