Earth greenest it's been in decades, perhaps in centuries

[laptop]

Thing is crispy, he sounds convincing.

Possibly to someone who spend the whole of science lessons reading comics with their fingers in their ears.

Take the solid sun thingy.

Hmm. So it's made of ferrite, he says. Not made almost entirely of hydrogen, like those boring conventional scientists say.

What do we know about ferrite? It's dense.

What do we know about hydrogen? It's the least dense of all substances (at a given temperature and pressure).

Look, a difference between the two.

Tell you what, let's look up the density of the sun (well-known, from simple application of Newton's equations to the Earth's orbit, its diameter, etc).

Oh look: it's just a bit denser than water.

Not all bigfish "theories" collapse so readily, but all succumb to the same general questioning attitude.

 

[Signal 11]

Yet who was calling people nutters for asking questions? I don't know where I got that idea from.

I have never objected to anyone asking questions. I have objected to you posting up bullshit as if it were fact, and insinuating that the mainstream view is "alarmist nonsense". I also object to your continued attempts to misrepresent what I have said.

 

[d.a.s.h]

The idea that "oil is the compressed and cooked remains of ancient life" violates the laws of thermodynamics.

Not heard that one before. Does that apply to coal as well?

 

[free spirit]

Not heard that one before. Does that apply to coal as well?

and which precise law / laws of thermodynamics does it violate? and how does it violate them?

bit hard to argue against with such a vague statement... oh, wait that's how bigfish operates isn't it

 

[bigfish]

and which precise law / laws of thermodynamics does it violate? and how does it violate them?

bit hard to argue against with such a vague statement... oh, wait that's how bigfish operates isn't it

Here you go Dr spirit (how's your quest for the illusive CO2 driver theory going by the way, any luck yet?):

Listed papers below available to read here:http://www.gasresources.net/toc_StatMech.htm


1. The Constraints of the Laws of Thermodynamics upon the Evolution of Hydrocarbons: The Prohibition of Hydrocarbon Genesis at Low Pressures.
J. F. Kenney, I. K. Karpov, Ac. Ye. F. Shnyukov, V. A. Krayushkin, I. I. Tchebanenko, V. P. Klochko, (2001), Energia, 22/3, 18-23. PDF version.

2. Dismissal of Claims of a Biological Connection for Natural Petroleum.
J. F. Kenney, Ac. Ye. F. Shnyukov, V. A. Krayushkin, I. K. Karpov, V. G. Kutcherov, I. N. Plotnikova, (2001), Energia, 22/3, 26-34. PDF version.

3. The Evolution of Multicomponent Systems at High Pressures: VI. The Thermodynamic Stability of the Hydrogen-Carbon System: The Genesis of Hydrocarbons and the Origin of Petroleum.
J. F. Kenney, V. G. Kutcherov, N. A. Bendeliani, V. A. Alekseev, (2002), Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences (U.S.A.), 99/17, 10976-10981. PDF version

4. The synthesis of hydrocarbons from abiotic reagents at pressures to 5 Gpa.
V. G. Kutcherov, N. A. Bendeliani, V. A. Alekseev, J. F. Kenney, (2002), Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences of Russia, 387/6, 789-792. PDF version

5. The Evolution of Multicomponent Systems at High Pressures: IV. The Genesis of Optical Activity in High-density, Abiotic Fluids.
J. F. Kenney, U. K. Deiters, (2001), Physical Chemistry - Chemical Physics, 2, 3163-3174. PDF version

6. The Evolution of Multicomponent Systems at High Pressures: II. The Alder-Wainwright, High-Density, Gas-Solid Phase Transition of the Hard-Sphere Fluid.
J. F. Kenney, (1999), Physical Chemistry - Chemical Physics, 1, 3277-3285. PDF version

7. The Evolution of Multicomponent Systems at High Pressures: I. The High-Pressure, Supercritical, Gas-Liquid Phase Transition.
J. F. Kenney, Fluid Phase Equilibria, (1998), 148, 21-47. PDF version.

8. Development of a general equation of state for real molecules in arbitrary regimes of temperature and pressure: I. The hard-core reference system.
J. F. Kenney, R. J. Petti, (2005).

9. The microcanonical thermodynamics of finite systems: The microscopic origin of condensation and phase separations, and the conditions for heat flow from lower to higher temperatures.
D. H. E. Gross and J. F. Kenney, (2005), J. Chem. Phys., 122, 1-8. PDF version

 

[free spirit]

Here you go Dr spirit (how's your quest for the illusive CO2 driver theory going by the way, any luck yet?):

fine thanks

how are you doing on backing up or conceding any of the points in this or any other climate change thread that you've been challenged on?

 

[bigfish]

fine thanks

how are you doing on backing up or conceding any of the points in this or any other climate change thread that you've been challenged on?

All in good time free - its a little difficult keeping up when one is surrounded by an organized cabal of about 20 ranting neo-Armageddonists even though you seem to think I have some kind of advantage - LOL!

Be sure to read up on the thermodynamic issues involved in petroleum evolution, wont you?

 

[free spirit]

All in good time free - its a little difficult keeping up when one is surrounded by an organized cabal of about 20 ranting neo-Armageddonists even though you seem to think I have some kind of advantage - LOL!

au contraire... I think you're at a considerable disadvantage being as the evidence is against you, and most of the sources you seem to quote from seem to have a fairly sketchy understanding of the issues they're commenting on / deliberately seek to mislead.

where you do have an advantage is in terms of convincing the casual observer who can't be arsed to wade through the threads to get to the bits where your statements are refuted and you fail to either post up anything to support your argument, or accept that you've got it wrong.

Be sure to read up on the thermodynamic issues involved in petroleum evolution, wont you?

well I must confess that it's not top of my list of priorities, but i might have a gander at some point. I've vague recollections of checking out some of that list a while ago when you posted it and not being overly impressed, but I've got other priorities right now for my time so will just have to leave that one hanging / for others to discuss.

 

[merlin wood]

But then where is the specific and reliable statistical evidence for this claim:

"The extent and diversity of plant and animal life have both increased substantially during the past half-century."

So with regard to diversity, more previously unknown species are always being found but this is only because the ever increasing extent of biological research. So there's no indication that any of the newly found species are actually newly evolved.