Early morning muggings now...

[brixtonvilla]

Will pass on your regards to the flatmate, who is fine. And if you think that Chrishaplands is a hanger & flogger, you should have heard flatmate in the pub this afternoon...

 

[nonamenopackdrill]

Will pass on your regards to the flatmate, who is fine. And if you think that Chrishaplands is a hanger & flogger, you should have heard flatmate in the pub this afternoon...

Exactly, listen the the victims.

 

[Brixton Hatter]

Just a quick note to advise/warn about earlybird muggers - my flatmate got her bag snatched & face punched at about 7.00 am this morning, going along Elm Park on her own. She's OK, if a little shaken.

glad to hear she's ok. it's horrible, something similar happened to my mate the other day.

i used to live just round the corner from elm park for about three years and i never thought it was dodgy really...i remember there was a spate of yellow signs for a short time about four years ago, but other than that i thought it was fine.

 

[Nixon]

brixtonwilla im glad your flatmate's ok.

that's such an awful thing to happen,especially in the morning out of all of the times you could get fucking mugged in brixton.i wholeheartedly hope that they catch and lock up the fuckers

 

[Blagsta]

Exactly, listen the the victims.

So you don't think justice should be blind then? You think it should be about retribution?

 

[Blagsta]

Anyway, glad your flatmate is OK. Its a shit thing to happen to anyone. Its normal to want to kill the people who harm you. I wanted to kill the people who robbed my flat last year. However I also know that harsh prison sentences and regimes don't work.

 

[brixtonvilla]

Exactly, listen the the victims.

Yeah, but she was pissed & angry & letting off steam.Actually, I'd say the last people who should be involved in sentencing are the victims. If you listened to her, he'd be eating his own balls off a plate by now...

Thanks for hijacking an advisory thread with your anecdotal, agenda-ridden bollocks, by the way. Much appreciated.

 

[Minnie_the_Minx]

Not surprised at all. Some guy, years ago, tried to tear my clothes off on my doorstep at 9.00pm at night on a summer's evening when it was still light and I've been attempted mugged God knows how many times in Elm Park

 

[Minnie_the_Minx]

Actually, I'd say the last people who should be involved in sentencing are the victims. If you listened to her, he'd be eating his own balls off a plate by now...

So what's the problem?



I read in the Metro this morning of a 50+ year-old guy who came back to visit his old home in Plato Road (he was 12 when he left). Took a photo of it with his mobile and was mugged He said yesterday: "I had been looking forward to this moment for some time. He completely ruined the day for me".

 

[joparo]

Early one morning few years back I was walking up Abbeville Rd in Clapham towards the tube when I heard a scream I looked ahead of me and saw a women being attacked or mugged in the street.I ran towards but the two muggers had fled.The girl in her early 20's had been attacked,had her bag stolen and had her face slashed aswell.I have never felt so violently sick in all my life,it was a quite an horrendous attack.

I phoned the ol' bill and an ambulance and waited with her till they came.The girl who I found out later to be called Isabela was in major shock and was taken to St George's in Tooting.

I was absolutely shocked myself and had to have a day or two off work.. and after helping the police I with the female officer who was dealing with the case went around to visit isabela the girl who had been mugged.The bastards had made a right mess of her face and she was such a pretty girl I felt sick to the stomach for her.All they took was her bag with a phone,A few personal items,I-pod and 20 quid,but they left a very beautiful young girl with both a physical and emotional scare that she will have to live with forever...

The police despite their best efforts never got them!!

I hope the cunts have overdosed on whatever and are rotting in hell!!!

 

[tippee]

Early one morning few years back I was walking up Abbeville Rd in Clapham towards the tube when I heard a scream I looked ahead of me and saw a women being attacked or mugged in the street.I ran towards but the two muggers had fled.The girl in her early 20's had been attacked,had her bag stolen and had her face slashed aswell.I have never felt so violently sick in all my life,it was a quite an horrendous attack.

I phoned the ol' bill and an ambulance and waited with her till they came.The girl who I found out later to be called Isabela was in major shock and was taken to St George's in Tooting.

I was absolutely shocked myself and had to have a day or two off work.. and after helping the police I with the female officer who was dealing with the case went around to visit isabela the girl who had been mugged.The bastards had made a right mess of her face and she was such a pretty girl I felt sick to the stomach for her.All they took was her bag with a phone,A few personal items,I-pod and 20 quid,but they left a very beautiful young girl with both a physical and emotional scare that she will have to live with forever...

The police despite their best efforts never got them!!

I hope the cunts have overdosed on whatever and are rotting in hell!!!

If anybody did that to a member of my family I wouldn't want to bring back hanging. I've got a decent shovel for burying things myself....

Awful story, perpertrators of violent street crime should be locked up 15 years minimum. Build more prisons for these evil bastards.

 

[Louloubelle]

Just a quick note to advise/warn about earlybird muggers - my flatmate got her bag snatched & face punched at about 7.00 am this morning, going along Elm Park on her own. She's OK, if a little shaken.

The M.O. was that 2 guys were waiting in a side street, (Endymion Road), jumped out, tapped her on the shoulder and tried to snatch her bag. She didn't let go & got punched for her trouble. They drove off in a car quickly(numberplate identified), which suggests there may be another fucker driving.

Police were excellent - here in 5 mins flat, very thorough & concerned, & followed it up well. The bag was recovered in Streatham (which gives some clue as to where they might be from) & little was taken - phone & sunglasses.

Anyway, just one more thing to be aware of. Let's be careful out there...

sorry to hear this
I was mugged in a similar way by a man with a woman driving the car, only he was a nicer kind of mugger as he didn't punch me and said "don't be silly now" as I struggled with him.

As the car drove off with him holding my bag, the strap was caught on shoulder and as they drove off it took a furrow of skin off my arm.

The police took it extremely seriously as not long before that a women had been killed by being dragged under a car by muggers and the same thing could have happened to me.

they did catch the man, not the driver, and he sent an apology to me. He was on a crack binge and had been driving around robbing people for 3 days non stop. He'd done it about 20 times in the 3 day period

I think there's a high chance that they'll catch the people who did this because a) they have a potentially very dangerous MO and there's a high chance they might accidentally kill somone if they carry on so the police take it very seriously indeed and b) they are unlikely to stop until they're caught

I'm basing this on my experience so it might be rubbish but just thinking aloud really

 

[Donna Ferentes]

I saw - I think - a bag being snatched in a shopping complex just last week. I was in the aisle between shops when there was a lot of shouting and a number of people run into a café, apparently in pursuit of somebody. That somebody must have known what they were at, because the café has a back exit through which it's possible to escape: which apparently they did., as they people came back, one of them in particular, presumably the victim, waving her arms about in an agitated fashion.

As ever, the main thing that struck me was what a stupid way it is to try and make a living. How often are you going to get away with it, I wonder?

 

[Gixxer1000]

As ever, the main thing that struck me was what a stupid way it is to try and make a living. How often are you going to get away with it, I wonder?

FFS I dont expect they have a "ten year plan" its mostly drug related isnt it. Which means they arent looking beyond their next fix however its achieved.

edit: what Loulou said.

 

[Pot-Bellied Pig]

Its' bastard difficult to catch muggers unless you are very close to the scene and have a good description within five minutes of the call and even then you rely on the mugger being stupid enough to still be on the street. Then ,,even if you get the suspect you have to be lucky and hope he still has the property on him/her. Then you also have to rely on the fact that the victim can identify the suspect and very often thats' asking a lot of someone who is in shock, may be hurt, probably it happened at night and the mugger won't have offered his face up.

Most people who are attacked for whatever reason only seem to remember clothing and the barest detail just as build and approx age. Its' asking a lot to get a identification pick out days later on video out of nine pictures of just a face with similar looking people.

There is of course one exception and thats' the drug addicted suspect who is in a frenzy. Thats' a bit easier. Firstly he/she doesn't care if he gets' caught as he/she isn't able to focus past the need for the next hit. The drug addict will offer his face, be violent if resisted so he/she will possibly leave forensics, go to the nearest crack den dealer so will walk the streets longer and will be more inclined to confess to it when nicked. Desperation angle so to speak.

Of course that opens the debate as to whether the state should supply class A to addicts to stop them doing burglary/ robbery to feed their habits. Nowdays adults get drug tested for theft offences when they are arrested and I have to say than 9 out of 10 are testing pos for cocaine and or heroin. So the figures are off the scale for drug addiction and its' link to certain types of offences such as thefts, burglary and robbery.

 

[poster342002]

Its' bastard difficult to catch muggers unless you are very close to the scene and have a good description within five minutes of the call and even then you rely on the mugger being stupid enough to still be on the street. Then ,,even if you get the suspect you have to be lucky and hope he still has the property on him/her. Then you also have to rely on the fact that the victim can identify the suspect and very often thats' asking a lot of someone who is in shock, may be hurt, probably it happened at night and the mugger won't have offered his face up.

Most people who are attacked for whatever reason only seem to remember clothing and the barest detail just as build and approx age. Its' asking a lot to get a identification pick out days later on video out of nine pictures of just a face with similar looking people.

And yet even with all this CCTV camera technology everywhere ...? Remind me again why we have CCTV all over the place, because the benefits seem to be eluding me.

 

[Mrs Magpie]

Tell me about it...our estate is bristling with it.....it failed to notice the bloke who broke into our house, the car that did a hit and run on a man near me, bricks heaved through windows and the the gang of youths who then destroyed every cctv camera on the estate.....

 

[KeyboardJockey]

Bring back the stocks - local justice under local control -- is normally my first thought in these situations. But there are better ways. State issue Class a's would bea start.

 

[myname]

what estate do you live on mrs magpie?

 

[Pot-Bellied Pig]

CCTV works mainly as a deterent if its' overt, Covert stuff is not usually high quality at distance and at night is no good.

Most muggers are all to aware of council CCTV but still if the attack is picked up and the camera operator can direct the police it is good evidence.

Facially cameras are rarely of good enough quality to get a face so clearly that you can make a later identification.

You end up with the scenario of thats' not me it looks like me but its' not...argument. A black hoody at night is after all a black hoody worn by hundreds.

What CCTV generally does is put the clothing in the area and films the offence which I suppose is 50% there.

 

[detective-boy]

Tell me about it...our estate is bristling with it.....it failed to notice the bloke who broke into our house, the car that did a hit and run on a man near me, bricks heaved through windows and the the gang of youths who then destroyed every cctv camera on the estate.....

CCTV is nowhere near the panacea many people (inside and outside the police) think it to be. Firstly it doesn't cover everywhere. Secondly a particular camera can only look in one direction at once. Thirdly it may or may not be at an appropriate level of zoom to be of use in a particular case. Fourthly there are far, far fewer operators in the CCTV control room (typically two or three) than there are cameras to be monitored (typically 100 plus for an inner London council CCTV system). Fifthly, the Data Protection Act requires all footage be destroyed after 30 days (I know no-one on here believes that that is done ... but it is!) unless a specific reason to keep it is known in that time - which means that much potentially useful footage has gone by the time anyone gets round to looking for it. Sixthly, even if footage is available it can take up to three hours per hour to view retrospectively (if it is a busy scene, if there is a fairly common description or if the picture quality is poor or the zoom is puled right out) which is not a problem if there is a very specific time and place (i.e. the actual robbery) but may well be if it is a general trawl (e.g. all cameras within quarter of a mile for half an hour before and after, looking for someone who fits the description).

Much (perhaps the majority) of CCTV footage available in "minor" cases is NOT viewed at all, even if the officer knows it is there and should be done. This is because there is a shortage of viewing equipment and, more importantly, a shortage of resources (human or financial) to pay for the viewing. This has been exacerated by the events of 7 and 21 July whish led to thousands of hours of viewing being required - this not only took over a lot of the Mets resources but also the divisional budgets which could have paid for it to be done in alternative ways.

It is nothing short of a scandal and it WILL bite the Met sooner or later.

 

[poster342002]

So why have it at all, then?

 

[Mrs Magpie]

If anybody did that to a member of my family I wouldn't want to bring back hanging. I've got a decent shovel for burying things myself....

Awful story, perpertrators of violent street crime should be locked up 15 years minimum. Build more prisons for these evil bastards.

I'd take the post you quoted with a bushel of salt...that poster was very likely lying. Certainly people I know who have lived there for many years don't think this happened....the (banned) poster who posted it seems not to be a model of veracity.