Early morning arrests/warnings in Coldharbour Lane
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brixtonvilla
should be Oslovilla, really
From my experiences the other night, they don't sell fucking weed at all these days. Is there a drug dealer worthy of the name in Brixton these days? (And no, I didn't get scammed - I walked off after about the fifth attempted hustle in 10 minutes).
Why not? Do you fear that witnessing the effects of drug use on a regular, first-hand basis will encourage her to try them?
There are, but they are not the ones who offer you crack and heroin.
http://www.thejakartapost.com/news/2008/11/16/two-indonesians-sentenced-death-malaysia.html
Now that's how to sort out the dealers.
Now that's how to sort out the dealers.
I agree with Jonti. Pass the brandy and revolver.
Blagsta
Minimum cage, maximum cage
No. But I don't want her growing up around all the other crap that goes with it. Mugging, prostitution, begging etc.
I have a 9 month old daughter. One of the reasons we chose to live here was that she would not have to grow up in a place infested my drug dealers and their stupid customers.
Blagsta
Minimum cage, maximum cage
She just has a wanker for a dad instead.
Jonti
what the dormouse said
Jonti
what the dormouse said
Nothing special about today.
I dislike demonisation campaigns, especially silly pointless ones that aim to victimise the users or sellers of a harmless herb. And I dislike having words put in my mouth. I can speak for myself, thanks!
editor
hiraethified
Talking of putting words into people's mouths, where have I "demonised" anyone please?
Blagsta
Minimum cage, maximum cage
Cannabis is not harmless.
Gramsci
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The point is that being paid £6 an hour is shit.Its not always lack of discipline.In fact those at the higher end of the food chain act more like businessmen.There was a conviction of a dealer in South London who had invested his money in houses and small legitimate businesses (and looked after his mum).This all requires organisational skills and self discipline.
Drug dealing takes many forms like all enterprises.To say that its all about lack of boundaries and "mollycoddling" isnt the whole story.
Regular jobs should mean decent pay and conditions.I think those of us who do low paid jobs should be treated with respect.Workers in this country arent.You are regarded as a loser or not "aspirational".
Id also like to point out well off kids who lacked boundaries etc can behave just as badly.Its just that they learn to do it in "legitimate" ways ie being wankers in the city.Ive menat them i know.
Im afraid a lot of the talk about boundaries etc is aimed at the lower orders.
Gramsci
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Ive noticed since the new school has been opened in Somerleyton road the drug dealers have moved on.I no longer see them sitting on the wall or hear addicts arguing with them late at night.
I dont now if they have moved more onto the estate.But the police can get rid of theses people if they want to.It would have been unnacceptable to do this outside a school.
I wonder if its tolerated outside KFC because the police know they can keep it under "control" there?
I dont now if they have moved more onto the estate.But the police can get rid of theses people if they want to.It would have been unnacceptable to do this outside a school.
I wonder if its tolerated outside KFC because the police know they can keep it under "control" there?
And so it might be.
I worked for £3 an hour when there wasn't even a minimum wage and you know what? It equipped me with the skills and money to get a degree and far better so called yuppie jobs 10 years later.
I couldn't have done it if I hadn't had the self-discipline to clean floors and wash toilets for £3 an hour, but I always knew it was only temporary and a step to something better.
I know people who worked for FREE i.e. no wages, just so they could get a foot in the door in the over-subscribed media industry.
Just because you are earning £6 an hour now doesn't mean you are doomed to earn that for the rest of your life.
That is a fallacy that is constantly pushed and most of the time it just stops kids from getting on that first ladder to a better job later.
There is nothing wrong with making a little sacrifice in pay and lifestyle now for a better future later. You can't have everything on a plate straight away and you shouldn't give people unrealistic expectations either.
No one said it was. But if I were to write on every single possible reason and why, then I'd be writing a book, not a post on a messageboard.
You are partly proving my point.
Not everyone can rise to to the top. Those that have the self-discipline + greed will usually make it, the majority, those who "get high on their own supply" for instance will join and remain at the bottom.
And most of them do.
What exactly is the decent pay and condition that working behind a till at Sainsbury's doesn't provide?
Jobs are far better now than they have ever been at any point in the history of the world.
Jobs with poor pay and conditions are very rare these days and often cause scandal as soon as people here about them.
It is not a co-incidence that they are usually done by immigrants, legal or illegal who are used to worse back where they come from.
And I'm sorry, working behind a till at Sainsbury's hardly compares with working down the mines which is where many people were just 20 to 25 years ago and they were fighting to keep those jobs!
Regarding pay, there is a limit to how much people can be paid before businesses go bankrupt and Zimbabwe-Economics take over.
If it was a simple matter of just paying people more, all that we'd have to do is print more money and pay everybody £1,000,000 to do whatever job they were doing, and we all know what would happen after that, don't we?
For instanece, many of the people who own shops in Brixton market and cafes in the local area pay a helluva lot less than places like Sainsbury's and Carphone Warehouse. Is it a surprise they struggle to keep staff or don't even bother hiring?? Those poor business owners are barely earning above minimum wage themselves.
Only a minority of shit people think that.
We should not bring up our kids based on the values of those shit people.
I don't think that and neither do most of the people who live in Brixton, the people you are talking about quite frankly do not come into the story at all.
Sorry, but that is quite frankly the crappest excuse I've ever heard.
Some rich kids don't have boundaries either, so our kids don't need any?
EXCUSE ME?
We are talking about kids in Brixton and what we can do in Brixton to make sure that they grow up to be decent human beings, not running a lowest common denominator competition to ensure that they get the same "rights" as Rich City Boys to be shits.
Your argument can basically be summarised as "The wealthy are crap and horrible, so we should get a chance to do the same".
I don't give a stuff what those people are doing with their lives, I give a stuff about the ones here who never had a chance and who never will as long as grown ups keep making pathetic excuses for their bad behaviour.
Blagsta
Minimum cage, maximum cage
Jonti
what the dormouse said
One point that hasn't been made in this thread is that guys selling herbs that early in the morning (8.45am was mentioned in the OP) are unlikely to be selling to the (equally demonised) so-called "drug tourists".
They are likely turning out that early to connect with the commuters from Brixton who'd like a little of what they fancy later that day, maybe lunchtime (not smart) or after work (I can sympathise!).
If Mind is seriously bothered about the welfare of kids and families in Brixton, why is he or she joining in the prohibitionist chorus? The problems to do with the trade are manufactured by the legal framework. Hardly anyone (on these boards at least) seriously disputes that.
They are likely turning out that early to connect with the commuters from Brixton who'd like a little of what they fancy later that day, maybe lunchtime (not smart) or after work (I can sympathise!).
If Mind is seriously bothered about the welfare of kids and families in Brixton, why is he or she joining in the prohibitionist chorus? The problems to do with the trade are manufactured by the legal framework. Hardly anyone (on these boards at least) seriously disputes that.
Jonti
what the dormouse said
And the way to do this is by criminalising trade in a harmless herb, rather than, say, economy destroying financial derivatives?
How does that work, exactly?
Maybe you should ask yourself why you jumped to the conclusion that I am for prohibition in the first place? Or that I am disputing the fact that that criminalisation increases the problem?
How do comments that "the illegal drug trade is attractive to certain kids" equal an argument for prohibition?
For the record, I am awell aware and agree with the arguments for legalisation, although the mechanism for implementing them to remove the criminality associated with them seem unworkable unless done on at least a pan-European level, but that's another argument.
If i was against people touting pirated movies outside Brixton station, does that mean I am against a properly legalised and regulated movie industry?
Perhaps you should try READING what I've written instead!
I am sorry that I don't have time to hold your hand and help you understand "where I'm coming from" before I guide you through my comment which was making a point about the attractiveness of the illegal drugs trade and had absolutely nothing to do with the peripheral comments you made about prohibition.
And the way to do this is by criminalising trade in a harmless herb, rather than, say, economy destroying financial derivatives?
How does that work, exactly?
And I think if you read Gramsci's comments, the issue was about the use of A drugs by City boy types vs the use of Class C drugs by kids in Brixton and me saying that the former is totally irrelevant to our kids here.
Talking about what rich, bad people have done to justify your own bad behaviour is a lazy and sloppy way of thinking.
Must as moving from cocaine use to financial derivatives is a complete non-sequitur. Completely irrelevant and off-topic.
Your insistence on arguing with me on the one point that I actually agree with you on i.e. de-criminalisation of the drugs trade is as amusing as it is baffling
Jonti
what the dormouse said
Your post read like an apologia for City crime, and as giving support to the suppression of trade in a harmless herb. You say you agree with my views -- but I think I am unlikely to be misunderstood in that way -- perhaps there's something about your style that gives a misleading impression?
For what it's worth, I've reread what you said, and the impression remains.
For what it's worth, I've reread what you said, and the impression remains.
Blagsta
Minimum cage, maximum cage
A lot of those early morning dealers are selling brown and white.
Blagsta
Minimum cage, maximum cage
And the way to do this is by criminalising trade in a harmless herb, rather than, say, economy destroying financial derivatives?
How does that work, exactly?
Cannabis is not harmless. It's probably the least harmful drug, but anyone who claims it is harmless is very misguided.
