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E-book readers: Sony/Amazon Kindle

Crispy said:
2 seconds to flip a page and to navigate menu items?
7 seconds to flip a page of a PDF???
Needs to get better.

2 seconds isn't so bad. Just don't read PDF's on it. They are processor intensive to decode and would probably do the battery life in.
 
Sunray said:
Dont see the point of colour. I've never caught myself reading a book and thought, 'tsk, the word "flower" really needs to be in red, damn the backward printing process'

With heavier going stuff, like academic stuff if you give me the same text, but with the headings in colours and the like I find it easier to take it in. Hence why many modern textbooks do this, even if they are little updated in other areas from older editions.

What would be cool is if you could set the book to highlight certain areas and certain colours.
 
Sunray said:
2 seconds isn't so bad. Just don't read PDF's on it. They are processor intensive to decode and would probably do the battery life in.

Displaying pdfs isn't the Sony Readers best point. It good at what it does (ie read books) and I'm always :confused: why it hasn't been released here sooner. (Supposed to be in Spring 1998)
 
Sunray said:
Dont see the point of colour. I've never caught myself reading a book and thought, 'tsk, the word "flower" really needs to be in red, damn the backward printing process'

I think colour would just make it more flexible also I'd be pretty pissed off if I got a B&W one and a few months later the colour one appeared.
 
They haven't release it here at all, so don't hold your breath at a colour one suddenly being release.
 
Amazon have released their reader...

http://www.electronista.com/articles/07/11/18/amazon.kindle/

Looks like it was hit several times by the ugly stick, though:

amazonkindle.jpg
 
The price isn't so bad tbh.

What that does have over all the others is a keyboard. That makes it, by far, the best reader. For a reference guides I cant help but think that having a proper search makes the e-book because its the thing it does so much better over a bit of paper. Having that by my PC at work would be great.
 
Crispy said:
Hideously ugly. Too expensive.
Clever though. Newspapers delivered over night. Books and magazines downloaded via EVDO connections (so no need to faff about trying to find a free Wi-Fi spot) and free access to the New Oxford American Dictionary and Wikipedia.org online .

Amazon CEO: "We also wanted to go beyond the physical book. Kindle is wireless, so whether you're lying in bed or riding a train, you can think of a book, and have it in less than 60 seconds."

It's no perfect but it's an interesting step forward.
 
Surprise, I agree with The Register: http://www.theregister.co.uk/2007/11/19/amazon_ebook_reader_folly/

If a new technology called PTech were invented today, and promised vastly improved flexibility, durability, convenience, and richness of browsing and reading - as well as ridding books from DRM - it would destroy the Digital Book market overnight. We have PTech today, of course - it's called paper, and it's simply a superior technology.

So an extra $399 for something you don't need - and that's more cumbersome and inconvenient than before? Arise, Sir Jeff.
 
mauvais said:
Yu can't see a use for, say, heavy commuters being able to have the day's papers downloaded on to the reader overnight and having a wide selection of books and magazines to read on their journey?

I was deeply cynical of eBook readers until I saw how good the display was.

It's not for me mind (I'd still prefer a proper book) but for heavy book readers, being able to carry 200 books about in a small package could be handy. But it's still very early days for the technology.
 
No, it's toss. I love reading the paper on a train because it's engaging - I read all sorts of random things I'd not have bothered with if I'd been online, or I suspect with this ebook effort. I can draw on the crossword and skip around the pages, and I can buy it from pretty much any shop anywhere at short notice - when I know I've time to read it.

As for books, I can read a couple a day - and not have to worry about battery life, user interfaces, acquiring content, etc. When I'm done I can give away the book to someone else who'll hopefully value it.

It's a solution to an imaginary problem, but as with any daft technology, no doubt someone will buy it.
 
I think the register nailed it - ebook readers don't offer much that's better than a normal book.

ebook +

take many books with you
get new books without having to go to a bookshop

book +

longer battery life
faster page access
lighter
more robust
cheaper
wider range of titles
easier to use

For most people, it's just not a contest.
I can see a small market for ebook readers right now, but they won't go mass market until they last for days without charging, weigh the same as a paperback, have full size displays, are incredibly intuitive to use and cost £50. I reckon.
 
Crispy said:
I think the register nailed it - ebook readers don't offer much that's better than a normal book.

ebook +

take many books with you
get new books without having to go to a bookshop
plus...

get a ton of daily newspapers
get latest magazines
get latest blogs
play MP3 (+audio book)
easily carry big reference material tomes about

But it's still too expensive, the books are way overpriced and it's an ugly beast of a thing.
 
Yeah I can't stand audio books too. A ebook reader needs to be a lot cheaper and have very good selection of books to download. I really like the look of the Sony but this Amazon one is ugly...
 
editor said:
plus...

get a ton of daily newspapers
get latest magazines
get latest blogs
play MP3 (+audio book)
I can already do these things.
easily carry big reference material tomes about
One of the small markets that these things will succeed in.
But it's still too expensive, the books are way overpriced and it's an ugly beast of a thing.
word to that
 
This is the long term traveller godsend. I challenge you to carry a more than 5 books in your pack. That thing would allow me to carry hundreds of books. The only down side is that I'd not be able to give old ones away to appreciative fellow travellers.
 
editor said:
plus...

get a ton of daily newspapers
get latest magazines
get latest blogs
play MP3 (+audio book)
easily carry big reference material tomes about

But it's still too expensive, the books are way overpriced and it's an ugly beast of a thing.

The problem I see is that the downloading blogs costs $, as does transfering items via the EVDO connecection. I like the idea of getting magazines/newspapers over-the-air, and I tend to see this as the way forward...

Its also not for me as it doesn't read pdfs, but as (another) dedicated book reader it looks interesting...
 
jæd said:
The problem I see is that the downloading blogs costs $, as does transfering items via the EVDO connecection
The EVDO connection is free. Blogs should be free though, but then the whole thing's over priced anyway.
 
editor said:
The EVDO connection is free. Blogs should be free though, but then the whole thing's over priced anyway.

BBC said:
]A subscription to the New York Times costs $13.99 per month on Kindle. A popular blog, such as BoingBoing will cost $1.99 per month for Kindle owners.

Owners sending files they already own to their Kindle will incur a ten cent charge.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/technology/7101392.stm

I wonder how hard it would be to proxy RSS feeds through your own computer and save $1.89... :D Although it could the BBC getting the wrong end of the stick...! :D
 
Owners sending files they already own to their Kindle will incur a ten cent charge.

HAHAHAHAHAHAHA!

product DEAD.

(Caveat - this might just refer to the EVDO transmission. No mention of USB...)
 
jæd said:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/technology/7101392.stm
I wonder how hard it would be to proxy RSS feeds through your own computer and save $1.89... :D Although it could the BBC getting the wrong end of the stick...! :D
The cost of downloading the book is included in the subscription. There is no additional EVDO charge for book/newspaper downloads.

Crispy: it is free to transfer files via USB.

Edit: As far as I can see, owners can transfer anything they like via USB - it is only the wireless service that incurs a charge.
 
Seeing as the device supports .txt files, users can also gorge themselves on the thousands of free books available at www.gutenberg.org/ too.

I use that site myself and have read a couple of free books on my Treo.
 
Thing is, I could see Microsoft being great in this area... They could use their billions to sell a reader for $50 in order to subsidise a new market... :D
 
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