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Dwain Chambers & Olympic ban

I do agree with OP and whilst we are at it, I just want to say that I also think it is disgusting that Linford 'the great' Christie is not one of the torch beares. That sucks majorly because he also did his time but yet the powers that be forget that he put British sprinters on the map like no other before him :mad:
 
If he takes the place of an athlete who's made the grade the old fashioned way then it's a sad situation indeed.

Corinthian spirit and all that bollocks.
If he takes the place of an athlete then it's because he ran a better time. What's wrong with that, or do we still punish people for past activities forevermore?
 
the ban was only for two years which he's served he's trying to change a british athletics association bye law which i think he has the right to do, i want to see him running in the olympics

Actually it's the British Olympic Association's bye law that he's trying to change - he can run for the GB athletics team. Out of curiosity why do you think he has the right to change one of the Associations bye laws which were put in place by the members of the Association.

I actually think that if some organisation says it doesn't want anyone 'tainted by drugs' to represent it in the one competition it enters (every four years) then that should be their right. He can't claim discrimination (or anything like that) IMO as this rule applies to everyone and was in place before Chambers became a real prospect.

He knew the rules and would have been aware of this bye law - shouldn't have taken the drugs, the cheat.
 
The punishment is odd though.

A ban for a few years, then he can compete everywhere except the Olympics.

That's like a drink driver getting a years ban, then being able to drive anywhere except Sussex or something.

Why no Olympics?[/QUOTE]

Because the Olympic Association have a rule that says people found to have taken drugs can't represent them - it's their association and their rules. He can still run for Team GB - no one's stopping hime earning a living.

Who's Chambers to tell an Association's membership that they're all wrongand he's right ?
 
i think some of the abuse this guy is getting is pretty undeserved. Yeh, he got caught doing something he shouldn't have done. are we all so whiter than white that this has never happened to any of us??

Saying that he is remorseless is a bit unfair, i seem to remember reading an interview with him where he seemed quite humble and apologetic about the whole thing. He has even volunteered to go on promos and initiatives to try and clean up the sport, and blow the whistle on those who supply the drugs to athletes etc. If they were serious about cleaning up the sport why dont they jump at this oppurtunity, maybe they have by now, i dont know.

Aren't we the only country that is not inline with the IAA where by an athlete serves his/her time for the crime and then is allowed back into the sport. Full stop. Oh no, us and our stuffy old codgers at the british athletics board dish out a lifetime ban!?!? harsh methinks.

This is a lad who really doesn't seem to have much other than running in his life and that has probably been the way from a young age for him. So through one stupid error and a period in his life whick he probably deedly regrets he gets condemned for life. hmm.

And if for nothing else he should be allowed to run just so we dont have to watch him make a pigs ear of trying to play rugby :)
 
I agree with a lot of what people have been saying about Dwain.

He is a drugs cheat, he is arrogant, he has slagged off his team-mates, he caused them to have to hand back medals and now because he's left his legal bid for the Olympics till the last possible second Tyrone Edgar has to wait until the verdict to find out whether he is going to Beijing :(
Everything he has done has had negative consequences for his team mates.

I think the original ban from competition should have been far longer - 2 years is no way long enough, imo. But I do think he should be allowed to go to the Olympics. We are the only country except for perhaps Norway (i think), who bans athletes from the Olympics for drugs and I think in the interests of fairness he should be allowed to go. Either that, or the IOA should ban all athletes who have been caught taking drugs, that would be fair. I think the rules need to be changed to be consistent across all nations so that we don't have this situation again.

I love athletics, I've competed, i've watched it on the telly since I was a kid and I wanted to go watch the trials at the weekend, but in the end I couldn't make it :( I watched Dwain and I was impressed, what can I say. The guy clearly didn't need drugs to do well and that's what's so sad. He's ruined his reputation in sport, his teammates won't have anything to do with him and when he retires I doubt there's gonna be a glittering career in coaching or TV.
 
Linford Christie...but he was a big hero who won Gold, so they let him off.

Er, no. As others have probably already pointed out, Christie got a two year ban and would not have been considered for a further Olympics. As it happens, it didn't affect Christie in any real sense because he was already in semi-retirement (which made his behaviour in doping himself all the more incomprehensible).

Chambers knew the rules. He broke them. He should not be allowed to compete in the Olympics. If Chambers' court action succeeds, the BOC's noble stance on drug cheats (depriving us of possible medal winners if they've previously cheated) will be demolished, sending the wrong message to dopers.
 
i think some of the abuse this guy is getting is pretty undeserved. Yeh, he got caught doing something he shouldn't have done. are we all so whiter than white that this has never happened to any of us??

Saying that he is remorseless is a bit unfair, i seem to remember reading an interview with him where he seemed quite humble and apologetic about the whole thing. He has even volunteered to go on promos and initiatives to try and clean up the sport, and blow the whistle on those who supply the drugs to athletes etc. If they were serious about cleaning up the sport why dont they jump at this oppurtunity, maybe they have by now, i dont know.

Aren't we the only country that is not inline with the IAA where by an athlete serves his/her time for the crime and then is allowed back into the sport. Full stop. Oh no, us and our stuffy old codgers at the british athletics board dish out a lifetime ban!?!? harsh methinks.

This is a lad who really doesn't seem to have much other than running in his life and that has probably been the way from a young age for him. So through one stupid error and a period in his life whick he probably deedly regrets he gets condemned for life. hmm.

And if for nothing else he should be allowed to run just so we dont have to watch him make a pigs ear of trying to play rugby :)
Do you really believe what you read about sports stars/celebrities in interviews - they have public relations personnel to vet the questions and coach them on the answers to give. Fuck me, some people on here are naive.

IMO if he's have got the ban lifted for that response he'd have attended some disadvantaged youth club in London for a bit of PR work and a photo opportunity and maybe have named a low-level 'foot soldier' in the supplying industry and then quietly forgotten about the whole thing.
 
I agree with a lot of what people have been saying about Dwain.

He is a drugs cheat, he is arrogant, he has slagged off his team-mates, he caused them to have to hand back medals and now because he's left his legal bid for the Olympics till the last possible second Tyrone Edgar has to wait until the verdict to find out whether he is going to Beijing :(
Everything he has done has had negative consequences for his team mates.

I think the original ban from competition should have been far longer - 2 years is no way long enough, imo. But I do think he should be allowed to go to the Olympics. We are the only country except for perhaps Norway (i think), who bans athletes from the Olympics for drugs and I think in the interests of fairness he should be allowed to go. Either that, or the IOA should ban all athletes who have been caught taking drugs, that would be fair. I think the rules need to be changed to be consistent across all nations so that we don't have this situation again.
Fairness on who - not fairness on the other 'clean' athletes who see someone cheat and then try to come back. Not fairness on the paying public (like you) who wanted to see a 'fair contest' which Chambers robbed them of with his pumped up steroids (or whatever else he used).

How many times does it have to be said on here, Chambers knew the rules, knew the risks and knew what he was doing was wrong - if he thought this rule was so unjust why didn't he campaign to change it when he was banned - why leave his action until the last possible moment before the Beijing games.

He's tried to play the system all along and is still trying to play the system.
 
Is there a poll thread on this on here?

With due respect Butchers' I think a poll on this one would 'spoil' the discussion. It's not a simple black and white view like "Big Brother - crap or not crap ?".

Some people would just go to the poll and read that X% think Chambers should be allowed to go, and just take the stark percentage as the view of U75. Whereas if you read the posts there's some well considered opinions and some posters have articulated deep held principles.

IMO this is quite a good discussion that hasn't been spoiled by the venom and abuse that litter some of the threads on the football, sports forum - although now I've said that it will probably all go 'tits up' !
 
With due respect Butchers' I think a poll on this one would 'spoil' the discussion. It's not a simple black and white view like "Big Brother - crap or not crap ?".

Some people would just go to the poll and read that X% think Chambers should be allowed to go, and just take the stark percentage as the view of U75. Whereas if you read the posts there's some well considered opinions and some posters have articulated deep held principles.

IMO this is quite a good discussion that hasn't been spoiled by the venom and abuse that litter some of the threads on the football, sports forum - although now I've said that it will probably all go 'tits up' !

All fair and good, i'd just like to know where the mass of opinion, contributers to the thread or not, is before the case. More than happy to not have one thiough.

(And for the record, i'm with what daley said today)
 
Fairness on who - not fairness on the other 'clean' athletes who see someone cheat and then try to come back. Not fairness on the paying public (like you) who wanted to see a 'fair contest' which Chambers robbed them of with his pumped up steroids (or whatever else he used).
But what i'm saying is that Britain is an anomaly in this regard. The rules should be the same for everyone, whether it's a total ban or not and then we wouldn't have this situation occuring again.

fwiw, i think the original 2 year ban was a joke, should have been longer and then maybe Dwain would have been too old to even think about coming back....
 
Mmmm- here's my view on this issue

But what i'm saying is that Britain is an anomaly in this regard. The rules should be the same for everyone, whether it's a total ban or not and then we wouldn't have this situation occuring again.

fwiw, i think the original 2 year ban was a joke, should have been longer and then maybe Dwain would have been too old to even think about coming back....

I would have agreed with most of the opinion on this thread/issue that Dwain shouldn't be allowed to compete in the Olympics, because of the BOA bye-law. As well as bringing the sport into disrepute than it already was. You could also say that statment imo more strongly on the likes of Ben Johnson,Marion Jones, Tim Montgomery, Ekaterina Thanou et al insulting the sport that i watched a lot when i was younger (and still do at times). But personally this whole debate on whether Chambers should to be allowed to compete, imvho exposes the sporting governing bodies (National & International) punishments on athletes on any sport who used banned substances in order to cheat.

Remember apart from Britain there are three other countries who have a similar Olympic life ban bye-law i.e. China (the swimmer last week who got banned), Norway and Romania (i think?).And out of the 200+ countries who will be participating in the Olympics in a few weeks it shows volumes and their attitudes towards drug cheats.

Take for example the World Atheltics governing body the IAAF as far as i know it's a 2 year ban for any athlete getting caught taking banned substances. Depending on which country that you represent the punishment is mostly a 2-4 year ban. Also as someone rightly said why wasn't he bannned from also competing in any of the major Athletics competitions i.e. Commonwealth,European World championships - but only the Olympics?* Or in terms of punitive action e.g. why is he treated differently to footballers caught using the same substance who only got three month bans?

I know that the International Olympic Committee a month or two ago in Lausanne, Switzerland had a special meeting with World Anti-Doping Agency (WADA) on the issue of drug cheats. And they agreed that after the Beijing Olympics are all done and dusted a 4 year ban (in the Olympic cycle - i think) for any athlete that gets caught.

Even though i quite agree with the idea/policy that drug cheats should be banned for life & possibly from all sport. If they cheat for the first time. *But what i'd like to see in terms of understandable policy in all competive sports is:-

(1) A 4-year ban for first time offenders in their sport e.g. Athetics - thus missing all the major championships. For a UK sportsman/woman it'll be the Commonwealth, Euros, World and Olympics.

(2) If the participant/athlete gets caught tested positive again then a lifetime ban in their chosen sport. As well as all other sports, would be imvo fairer. This would stop the likes of e.g. Chambers doing his vain attempt to become a Rugby League Player during his trial with Castleford Tigers.

(3) Any coach who supplies his/her athletes a banned substance(s) should get banned for life. In addition to legal action, leading to a jail term.

But whether the respective National sporting and World governing bodies in all sports agree to my suggestion is another different matter. You can argue for the ultimate sanction for any offence in any walk of life (e.g. lying on a CV, to cite a recent example in the media) on the basis that it will act as a deterrent, but I would prefer to see some opportunity/scope for rehabilitation and redemption.

Baldrick - i agree with what you said about DC getting only a 2 year ban imposed by UK Athletics/IAAF. But very reluctantly subscribe to the view that he should run ( a big if), even though at best he'll be in the final - i certainly do not condone any athlete in any sport that takes performance enhancing substances such as roids, EPO etc. Let's face it DC is the perfect example to all young and aspiring athletes/sportsmen & women on how not to screw or fuck up your reputation in your chosen sport! Hopefully this should cause the governing bodies to sort themselves out in future so that a bye-law (i.e like the example above) is rock solid and this kind of farce does not occur again.
 
(And for the record, i'm with what daley said today)

Daley Thompson said:
"He's a cheating bastard who shouldn't be allowed to compete," said Thompson. "He knew what the rules were. To be prepared to break them and then not be prepared to take the punishment is even more underhand. What he did in the first place was pretty low down. It's cheating. I think that him and all the people involved with him shouldn't be allowed to be in sport."
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Full transcript of his interview.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/sport/2008/jul/14/olympicgames2008.athletics7
 
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