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Dulwich Hamlet History Notes

Discussion in 'Dulwich Hamlet FC' started by PartisanDulwich, Jun 24, 2015.

  1. PartisanDulwich

    PartisanDulwich Well-Known Member

    yes fully accept the criticism Mishi
    don't knowingly make mistakes
     
  2. Dulwich Mishi

    Dulwich Mishi Old Skool Terrace Dinosaur-embracing the new-veau!

    More of an observation than criticisms...you know me...I like a moan! ;)
     
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  3. PartisanDulwich

    PartisanDulwich Well-Known Member

    DULWICH HAMLET ATTENDANCES AND IMPACT OF TELEVISION

    In the 1930's, crowds averaged around 7,000 to 8,000 at Champion Hill, now they average less than half of that.

    Tom Brooker attributes the decline in attendance and this season's fickleness in particular to the impact of television

    (according to the report Tom Brooker an amateur international and for over 22 years after his playing career a member of Dulwich Hamlet selection committee)

    Source: Sport Express 27th April 1956
     
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  4. Dulwich Mishi

    Dulwich Mishi Old Skool Terrace Dinosaur-embracing the new-veau!

  5. PartisanDulwich

    PartisanDulwich Well-Known Member

    Think its really good to get a reference for average crowds
    I was struggling to get a feel for how big the crowds were in the glory years
    and after the war

    Its interesting they put the lower attendance down to television ( I had always believed mayor decline had been after the war people stop going to non league - so blame being put at the feet of television

    Think they are also referring to general impact of Television, rather than just sport on TV

    Also worth noting that in the 1950's still getting 3-4,000

    Dulwich Hamlet will not be televised
     
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  6. PartisanDulwich

    PartisanDulwich Well-Known Member

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  7. Dulwich Mishi

    Dulwich Mishi Old Skool Terrace Dinosaur-embracing the new-veau!

    But we WERE televised. Some of the earliest 'modern' tests of live football on the BBC in the late 40s were done a amateur games...including one or two involving Dulwich Hamlet.
    Dulwich Hamlet were televised from the very start of football on television.
     
  8. PartisanDulwich

    PartisanDulwich Well-Known Member

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    Dulwich Hamlet V Nigeria September 17th 1949


    This game played in front of a crowd of 18,000 became famous as the Nigerian players played in bare-feet


    According to Colonial Film commentary (link below)

    "The high spot of their tour"

    "Everywhere, now the fine reputation of these lads from Nigeria has been firmly established by their gentlemanly behaviour, on the field and by their clean and clever play. They have
    stirred the admiration of all sportsmen. They have created closer appreciation and understanding of West Africa and Nigeria, that has made a deep appreciation on the
    thousands who have watched them. Interest in this match was intense, all knew it to be a real test of strength and skill of two teams of true sportsmen - Soccer at its finest"

    As Dulwich Historian Jack McInroy points out in his excellent article on the Nigerian tour of 1946

    "Two versions of the matchday programme were produced for the day. The normal single sheet folded, and a souvenir one for players and officials with the clubs’ colours of pink and blue and green and white ribbons attached."


    DHFC_NIGERIA_1949 011.jpg

    see Dulwich Historian for more information



    and this Colonial Video (from 3:12) excellent film of Champion Hill

    http://www.colonialfilm.org.uk/node/1444
     
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  9. PartisanDulwich

    PartisanDulwich Well-Known Member

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    A crowd of 13,000 watched Dulwich Hamlet V West Auckland Town (FA Amateur Cup Replay)

    The best attendance of the season 1955-1956

    Winning 3-0 (according to the markings on the programme)

    The Semi final against Corinthian Casuals at Stamford Bridge was played in front of a crowd of 27,000

    Dulwich Hamlet were just 90 minutes from Wembley but lost 3-1

    Capacity at Champion Hill at this period was 40,000 (including 20,000 covered)

    Source: Sport Express 27 May 1956
     

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  10. darryl

    darryl this wasn't supposed to happen

    Slightly more prosaic: Cup-winning manager Jimmy Seed attributed the 50s decline in crowds at The Valley to the tram network being abandoned - until 1952, you could get to Charlton easily from all over South London.

    Since Dog Kennel Hill was a big tram route too (the current 185 bus follows the old tram service) I wonder if the same applied at Dulwich.
     
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  11. PartisanDulwich

    PartisanDulwich Well-Known Member

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    Trams and Football
     

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  12. PartisanDulwich

    PartisanDulwich Well-Known Member

    Flags flying at Champion Hill for the Dulwich Hamlet V Nigeria game in September 1949 (a still taken from the film of the game)

    The bottom flag is Nigeria

    The top flag looks like DHFC crest (also visible in the film are small icons in each corner of the flag ? (maybe x4 Amateur cups ?

    The bars on the flag surely were
    Blue Pink Blue dulwich hamlet v nigeria flag.jpg
     
  13. PartisanDulwich

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  15. PartisanDulwich

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    First Amateur International played at Champion Hill

    England V Scotland

    25 March 1933

    England won 1-0

    Champion hill opened 1931

    Source: England V New Zealand Programme (Champion Hill) April 1964
     
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  16. PartisanDulwich

    PartisanDulwich Well-Known Member

    The Isthmian League

    The Isthmian League was founded in 1905 and for two seasons consisted of six clubs. London Caledonians, Clapton, Casuals (1939 became Corinitian Casuals), Civil Services, Ealing and Ilford

    Then came the "split" and Casuals, Civil Service and Ealing joined the newly formed (1907 Amateur Football Association (A.F.A.) Their places taken by Oxford City, West Norwood and Dulwich Hamlet

    Source Programme Isthmian League V Caribbean XI 10 sept 1959
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  17. Pink Panther

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  18. PartisanDulwich

    PartisanDulwich Well-Known Member

    England Amateur Internationals played at Champion Hill

    Champion Hill was opened in 1931 and before the World War II hosted a number of Internationals

    The England V Scotland game was staged on four occasions, 1933, 1935,1937 and 1939. After the War the following games were played 1947 England V Wales, 1948 England V Holland also Holland V Luxembourg, 1950 England V France, 1958 England V Finland, 1960 England V Germany, 1961 England V France and 1962 England versus Ireland, 1964 England V New Zealand

    Source England V New Zealand Programme 16 April 1964
     
  19. PartisanDulwich

    PartisanDulwich Well-Known Member

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    DULWICH HAMLET CREST AND COLOURS

    Among recent correspondence is a most interesting letter from a supporter who is anxious to know what our crest represents. We have given particulars of this before , but for our correspondence may be still newer supporters benefit, we produce the extract from an old program

    From time to time we are asked for a detailed description of the club badge as worn on the jersey and appears on the front page of the program, when the club was founded by the late Lorraine ("Pa") Wilson in 1893 he had two of his earliest helpers on and off the field to brother's named Lloyd - one was so Westminster and the other at Dulwich College.

    PINK & BLUE

    When the question of colours arose, it was decided to have the pink of Westminister and the blue of Dulwich. Many, many years later discussion took place over the suggested badge and it was eventually decided to incorporate the association to which the club is in membership in addition to embodying other interesting features. The complete badge is thus

    Top - City of London; top left-hand corner - Surrey County; top right hand - Dulwich: the bottom left - Borough of Camberwell; bottom right - City of Westminster. The middle line across is the coat of arms of the Champion De Crespigny family, to whom the present ground originally the belong and who were our landlords for many years before we eventually purchased the freehold.

    Champion Hill at the time was the only entrance to the ground

    Source Dulwich Hamlet V Kingstonian programme 13 December 1947
     
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  20. darryl

    darryl this wasn't supposed to happen

    A corking find in the British Movietone archive, which is now on YouTube - the opening of the new pavilion (presume they mean the stand?) at Champion Hill. It doesn't give a date.

     
  21. EDC

    EDC A Slightly Less Invisible Cyber Fan These Days

    I was waiting for Mr. Chumley-Warner to make an appearance.
     
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  22. pompeydunc

    pompeydunc Well-Known Member

    The video that follows shows how little has changed between then and now on local dignitaries that visit dhfc.
     
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  23. Dulwich Mishi

    Dulwich Mishi Old Skool Terrace Dinosaur-embracing the new-veau!

    That would be 10th October 1931...the opening game at the previous Champion Hill, at home to local rivals Nunhead, in an Isthmian League match. I can't recall the exact attendance, off the top of my head, but it was sixteen thousand something..plus 'season ticket holders and guests', which I am guessing may have added another couple of thousand to the gate.

    It was indeed the official opening of the old ground, not just the 'pavilion', which would have been an out-dated term, even back then.
     
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  24. PartisanDulwich

    PartisanDulwich Well-Known Member

    England V France Amateur Internationals at Champion Hill

    1956 won 3-1
    1961 won 2-0
    1971


    First international 1st November 1906 played in Paris England won 15-0
     
  25. PartisanDulwich

    PartisanDulwich Well-Known Member

    Mishi when you get a chance can you post the 1931 opening of Champion Hill attendance
     
  26. Al Crane

    Al Crane Well-Known Member

    Attendance was 16254
     
  27. PartisanDulwich

    PartisanDulwich Well-Known Member

    Sir Frederick Wall the "bowler-hatted, pin-striped, umbrella-wielding" Secretary of the FA from 1895-1934

    Died Sutton 1944
     
  28. Cyclodunc

    Cyclodunc Where's the slam tent, mate?

    Keep it light
     
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  29. PartisanDulwich

    PartisanDulwich Well-Known Member

    On twitter for sale 08/09/2015
    Surrey County F.A., 1911/12 cup final medal.

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  30. PartisanDulwich

    PartisanDulwich Well-Known Member

    Paul Nicholas5 tweeted this newspaper cutting for fixtures for 27th December 1915

    Dulwich Hamlet v 3rd Scots Guards

    The 3rd Scots Guards were a reserve battalion - That is they trained the 1st and 2nd Scots Guards for the front

    And by the miracle of the internet a search uncovers a picture of the 3rd Scots Guards on New Years Day "Hogmanay" 1916 at Wellington Barracks London, So some of these will have watched or possibly played Dulwich Hamlet days earlier

    Crystal Palace had played the 3rd on the 18th December drawing 0-0


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