Dubstep.

dannyb · May 24, 2006

Skim said:
I wonder why dubstep has such a strong Middle Eastern influence? Most of the music is, presumably, made in London and yet some tracks wouldn't sound out of place in a souk.

cos they just love their cheesy world music samples....

foo · May 25, 2006

Flavour said:
(unless you're one of the poor fellows who just simply refuses to get over the fact that its 2-step, and holds some snobbish grudge against the form)

i've come across this snobbishness countless times regarding my enjoyment of two-step and uk garage.

it appears that the people who turn their noses up at two-step and most uk or speed garage seem to have 'respect for grime' - and i don't get it. :confused:

why is this d'you reckon Flavour?

Dubversion · May 25, 2006

foo said:
it appears that the people who turn their noses up at two-step and most uk or speed garage seem to have 'respect for grime' - and i don't get it.

i don't like (wouldn't say 'turn my nose up', exactly) most garage and two-step, but I do like grime and dubstep. I'm not enough of a musicologist to explain why, but I guess i find a lot of garage too shiny and bouncy, whereas grime and dubstep are edgier, more abrasive, more textured.

It's not a snobbery or a stance, it's just that while the various styles are totally intertwined, things that get labelled grime or dubstep just do it for me more.

Spandex · May 25, 2006

foo said:
it appears that the people who turn their noses up at two-step and most uk or speed garage seem to have 'respect for grime' - and i don't get it.

I think Garage became a dirty word to some people when it went overground in about '00/'01. If people weren't into the scene their image of it was probably formed by Craig David, Daniel Beddingfield and Babycakes.

Of course that's not at all representative of the music, but it seems to be taking a name change to get people who were put off by this image into it. To me, some 'Grime' and 'Dubstep' doesn't sound too different to some of the UKG tunes that were around four or five years ago.

Dubversion · May 25, 2006

I like Babycakes

Spandex · May 25, 2006

Dubversion said:
I like Babycakes

So do I

Orang Utan · May 25, 2006

Spandex said:
So do I

Ahem........

I also like that Chocolate track

rutabowa · May 25, 2006

what's that one that goes "re.. re.. wind. when the crowd says bo! selecter"? i liek that one.

Skim · May 25, 2006

dannyb said:
cos they just love their cheesy world music samples....

But it's not just about samples, it's about the whole structure of the music... I don't know where the influence comes from.

kerb · May 25, 2006

Negativland said:
The Burial CD on hyperdub I cannot reccomend enough. Dubstep without the drabness. It is very sombre, rainy echoey city sounding. Vocal samples make it into quite compelling songs rather than wanky 'soundscapes'. You could compare it to some Coil stuff like 'red birds will fly out...' or the melancholy dreamy mood of worship the glitch.

It's somewhere between electronica and dubstep really, but the 2-step style drum programming is fantastic

sweet! bought it online yesturday. heard it on the breezeblock. glad to hear its recommended

foo · May 25, 2006

Spandex said:
I think Garage became a dirty word to some people when it went overground in about '00/'01. If people weren't into the scene their image of it was probably formed by Craig David, Daniel Beddingfield and Babycakes.

Of course that's not at all representative of the music, but it seems to be taking a name change to get people who were put off by this image into it. To me, some 'Grime' and 'Dubstep' doesn't sound too different to some of the UKG tunes that were around four or five years ago.

i think you may be right as i'm not sure most of the haters have actually heard the underground stuff that was about when it all kicked off.

as you say, maybe the snobs are judging garage/two-step by their possibly limited experience of the 'softer' end - and haven't heard the dirtier bassier stuff that was around on the underground scene in the 90s. i'm not sure any of it made it out of the clubs and into the popular charts tbh...

my son's friend who's a grime mc has nicked some old tapes of mine from that time - and is going to mix it in with his mental (imo

) sound.

i can't wait to hear it... :eek:

Dubversion · May 25, 2006

foo said:
as you say, maybe the snobs.. SNIP

what's with the snobs thing, though? Maybe people didn't like that and do like grime / dubstep? Doesn't necessarily follow they're being snobbish.

I like Big Youth and I don't like Bob Marley, but that's not me being snobby, it's just a preference.

boing! · May 25, 2006

I'd be quite interested in hearing some of the older garage/ 2 step stuff from the 90s, my idea of garage, before grime and dubstep, is pretty much made up of all that commercial stuff as people have said. Might have to see if i can hunt down some mixes on the net. Are there any dj's/producers i should look out for?

Kuso · May 25, 2006

boing! said:
I'd be quite interested in hearing some of the older garage/ 2 step stuff from the 90s, my idea of garage, before grime and dubstep, is pretty much made up of all that commercial stuff as people have said. Might have to see if i can hunt down some mixes on the net. Are there any dj's/producers i should look out for?

yeh, I would too actually- too young to have known anything about an underground garage/2step scene in the nineties. Sounds alright actually...

Flavour · May 25, 2006

foo said:
i've come across this snobbishness countless times regarding my enjoyment of two-step and uk garage.

it appears that the people who turn their noses up at two-step and most uk or speed garage seem to have 'respect for grime' - and i don't get it.

why is this d'you reckon Flavour?

I think it's cos grime has all the rude boy sponsorship
it makes it intrinsically a little more hardcore

siarc · May 27, 2006

this mix really surprised me

http://autonomicforthepeople.blogspot.com/2006/04/northern-mystikz.html

Orang Utan · Jul 9, 2006

Went to DMZ last night and fucking hell, it was exhilarating, refreshing, joyful, brutal - an ELECTRIC atmosphere, loud as fuck and one of the best nights I've been to this year.
Dub - I was supposed to let you know about it - sorry - it was kind of a last minute thing - I wasn't going to go cos I'm at work today but I'm glad I did.

H.Dot · Jul 9, 2006

Dubversion said:
nom people keep saying i should. aren't i too old?

u must be joking, I still get asked for ID at some clubs and I'm old enough to be certain MC's dad lol, if I can get in to Eskimo Dance without being told "sorry m8 ur 2 old, back to '89 night's dat way --->>> ya get me" then u can get in to DMZ too

H.Dot · Jul 9, 2006

Skim said:
Dubstep isn't annoying, but it can be dark and moody. I don't think it's easy to get a drunken crowd at the Albert/Jamm moving to dupstep, unless they've come to hear that specific genre. What really works at Offline is music with vocals, whether that's indie, funk, reggae, whatever.

I don't think the tempo of music at Offline is a problem. I've played dnb on occasion and it always goes down well. The mood of the music is more important –*anything too introspective just doesn't work as well.

hehe u should book me then, i'm always on A HYPE TING lol

H.Dot · Jul 9, 2006

Spandex said:
I think Garage became a dirty word to some people when it went overground in about '00/'01. If people weren't into the scene their image of it was probably formed by Craig David, Daniel Beddingfield and Babycakes.
.

oh innit, y do u think I stopped going to garage nights around that time? lol

"Truesteppers & Dane Bowers Feat. Victoria Beckham" ffs lol

H.Dot · Jul 9, 2006

boing! said:
I'd be quite interested in hearing some of the older garage/ 2 step stuff from the 90s, my idea of garage, before grime and dubstep, is pretty much made up of all that commercial stuff as people have said. Might have to see if i can hunt down some mixes on the net. Are there any dj's/producers i should look out for?

Producers: Tuff Jam, Steve Gurley, Mark Yardley, KMA Productions, M-Dubs, Danny Foster, Dreem Teem, Baffled, Todd Edwards, MJ Cole, Artful Dodger, Anthill Mob

DJ sets: EZ, Masterstepz, Ray Hurley, Ed Case, Frances James, Mike "Ruffcut" Lloyd, Spoony, Timmi Magic, Matt "Jam" Lamont, Heartless Crew

any early sets (1995-1999) from these clubs: Exposure, Garage Delight, Sun City, Cookies & Cream, Garage Nation, Twice As Nice, Stush, La Cosa Nostra

there's more, but that's all off the top of my head on a Sunday morning, which is pretty good for me lol

sir.clip · Jul 10, 2006

Orang Utan said:
Went to DMZ last night

I was there too..
Dancing away the blues.

Moggy · Jul 10, 2006

Orang Utan said:
Went to DMZ last night and fucking hell, it was exhilarating, refreshing, joyful, brutal - an ELECTRIC atmosphere, loud as fuck and one of the best nights I've been to this year.

Cool, will hopefully try and make it to the next one - they're on about every 2 months right?

Dubversion · Jul 10, 2006

Orang Utan said:
Went to DMZ last night and fucking hell, it was exhilarating, refreshing, joyful, brutal - an ELECTRIC atmosphere, loud as fuck and one of the best nights I've been to this year.
Dub - I was supposed to let you know about it - sorry - it was kind of a last minute thing - I wasn't going to go cos I'm at work today but I'm glad I did.

next time!!

ska invita · Aug 24, 2006

foo said:
i like it. it sounds less like old type of Dub than i thought it would (if that makes sense). i love the squidgy noises.

I agree: lets hope it stays that way - dont get me wrong, Im a roots fan - but its nice to see urban kids coming up with some skunked up electro flavours, and leaving real dub to real dubheads. much prefer the kids to cover new territory...

This is the first scene that has come along in my lifetime without me knowing of it - It's a great feeling - I feel old! With this old age comes an inate ability to be patronising: well done yoots! No seriously - Im proud of the little rascals!

It's exciting having a whole new musical sound come along and think, where did that come from?, as opposed to having heard it develop every step of the way.

Rinse fm (100.4fm and www.rinse.fm) is very much locked on my dial these days - healthy scene all round - the lyrical cuts are pretty good too: plenty of worthy lyrical content.

UK does it again ... forever inventing.

art of fact · Aug 25, 2006

was listening to burial on the night bus going through brixton the other night and dubstep does actually sound like south london... its well hard to explain, but it does..

aurora green · Aug 25, 2006

I'd be really up for a trip to DMZ too...if it's turning into an urban outing like...

Robstarr · Aug 25, 2006

has anyone reached the weekly dubstep night Fwd @ Plastic People?

foo · Aug 25, 2006

i've lost the dubstep cd Dubversion made me, bugger it.

art of fact · Aug 25, 2006

Robstarr said:
has anyone reached the weekly dubstep night Fwd @ Plastic People?

yeah a couple of times.. always well rammed, wicked night, prefer dmz though.

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