Dublin INLA execute ex member Brian McGlynn
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Nigel
For A Degenerates' Workers State
No Genuine Knowledge Or Opinions Then
So Does anyone have an opinion or knowledge(that would'nt be considered as acting as a tout) on the incident in Derry & recent skirmishes in the South.
Rather than listening to the Liberal Bollox of a bunch of middle class social workers who probably like the fact that their are drug pusher, joy riderss(stealing from their own kind; working class/poor), rapists, child molesters etc.
As it keeps it on the self sustaining, self perpetrating gravy train that the European Union/Brits are pooring into the area.
This does not mean that I support this form of "community justice", but see it as a necessary evil until which time as schemes such as community restorative justice etc. are genuinley introduced.
So Does anyone have an opinion or knowledge(that would'nt be considered as acting as a tout) on the incident in Derry & recent skirmishes in the South.
Rather than listening to the Liberal Bollox of a bunch of middle class social workers who probably like the fact that their are drug pusher, joy riderss(stealing from their own kind; working class/poor), rapists, child molesters etc.
As it keeps it on the self sustaining, self perpetrating gravy train that the European Union/Brits are pooring into the area.
This does not mean that I support this form of "community justice", but see it as a necessary evil until which time as schemes such as community restorative justice etc. are genuinley introduced.
It doesn't sound like it had anything to do with community justice anyway, if this guy was killed because he falsely claimed to be a member of the INLA.
I don't think there are many violent groups which would let someone get away with falsely claiming to be a member of that group.
I don't think there are many violent groups which would let someone get away with falsely claiming to be a member of that group.
8den
No I'm pretty sure that was 8ball...
Deareg said:
Spare me the working class hero spiel mate.
Bollocks, never mind that juvenile crime is an epidemic in many areas of Belfast and other northern irish cities., modern Irish and British police force at least try to ensure those children who break the law don't end up killing themselves.
Bollocks again, I can think of three other instances of people murdered for crossing the INLA and IRA socially just like Robert Mc Cartney, and thats just the murders there's no statistics for those victims of unjustice punishment beatings.
Come off it, people vote SF because there's no other bloody choice? Who should catholics vote for SDLP? DUP? UUP? Like so many British communities shafted by labour who keep voting them in, because "what choice do we have" Who else could they vote for?
Tell you one thing though, SF took a right kicking down south, working class communities didn't come out for them. No Adam's velcro'd Mary Lou, is looking to be in trouble come the next EU election. Why? Because SF didn't have the first clue about stuff that matters to the voters. Adam's performance in the debates was frankly shocking. SF delivered the peace in Northern Ireland, now they better hurry up and deliver the prosperity, or those working class communities might not be so kind.
lewislewis
Lumumba Cymru
TAE said:
Don't be all condescending with me- I am against militarism, death penalty and community policing. I also believe the INLA should disarm, they have no right or reason to exist any longer.
But like I said it's a naive approach to have blanket criticism of this because the real crime was the division of Ireland and the campaigns of violence and intimidation (undertaken on both sides might I add, but we know where it started).
Deareg
Well-Known Member
Spare me the working class hero spiel mate.
working class hero? where the fuck did that come from?
Bollocks, never mind that juvenile crime is an epidemic in many areas of Belfast and other northern irish cities., modern Irish and British police force at least try to ensure those children who break the law don't end up killing themselves.
one of the main reasons it to getting to "epidemic" proportions is because the police never gave a fuck about nationalists and were too busy trying to recruit informers and break the moral of what they saw as hostile natives to waste time actually policing,
nowadays they are too busy raising money for the british treasury by searching for illegal ciggies, motorists using red diesel, forcing pirate taxi drivers off the road, tv licences and so on to give a waste time policing
Bollocks again, I can think of three other instances of people murdered for crossing the INLA and IRA socially just like Robert Mc Cartney, and thats just the murders there's no statistics for those victims of unjustice punishment beatings.
read my post again i said "rare enough" i did'nt say there were no other instants, and again what the fuck first hand knowledge do you have? or are you again relying on a hostile media for your information?
Come off it, people vote SF because there's no other bloody choice? Who should catholics vote for SDLP? DUP? UUP? Like so many British communities shafted by labour who keep voting them in, because "what choice do we have" Who else could they vote for?
usually when their is no-one else to vote for the vote stays the same or goes down sinn feins vote is rising so you are talking bollox
Tell you one thing though, SF took a right kicking down south, working class communities didn't come out for them. No Adam's velcro'd Mary Lou, is looking to be in trouble come the next EU election. Why? Because SF didn't have the first clue about stuff that matters to the voters. Adam's performance in the debates was frankly shocking. SF delivered the peace in Northern Ireland, now they better hurry up and deliver the prosperity, or those working class communities might not be so kind.[/QUOTE]
sinn feins vote actually went up or at least held in the south
working class hero? where the fuck did that come from?
Bollocks, never mind that juvenile crime is an epidemic in many areas of Belfast and other northern irish cities., modern Irish and British police force at least try to ensure those children who break the law don't end up killing themselves.
one of the main reasons it to getting to "epidemic" proportions is because the police never gave a fuck about nationalists and were too busy trying to recruit informers and break the moral of what they saw as hostile natives to waste time actually policing,
nowadays they are too busy raising money for the british treasury by searching for illegal ciggies, motorists using red diesel, forcing pirate taxi drivers off the road, tv licences and so on to give a waste time policing
Bollocks again, I can think of three other instances of people murdered for crossing the INLA and IRA socially just like Robert Mc Cartney, and thats just the murders there's no statistics for those victims of unjustice punishment beatings.
read my post again i said "rare enough" i did'nt say there were no other instants, and again what the fuck first hand knowledge do you have? or are you again relying on a hostile media for your information?
Come off it, people vote SF because there's no other bloody choice? Who should catholics vote for SDLP? DUP? UUP? Like so many British communities shafted by labour who keep voting them in, because "what choice do we have" Who else could they vote for?
usually when their is no-one else to vote for the vote stays the same or goes down sinn feins vote is rising so you are talking bollox
Tell you one thing though, SF took a right kicking down south, working class communities didn't come out for them. No Adam's velcro'd Mary Lou, is looking to be in trouble come the next EU election. Why? Because SF didn't have the first clue about stuff that matters to the voters. Adam's performance in the debates was frankly shocking. SF delivered the peace in Northern Ireland, now they better hurry up and deliver the prosperity, or those working class communities might not be so kind.[/QUOTE]
sinn feins vote actually went up or at least held in the south
8den
No I'm pretty sure that was 8ball...
Deareg said:
Your "I get my information from working class communities" bullshit, I can hear the Shinner accent drip down the ISDN.
Oh and learn how to use the quote function.
Fuck right off, while that was the case early on, you've now got an effective police policing body in the Ombudsman. I've met O'Loan, and was invited to debate alongside her in UCD.
Christ what a whingy fucking list of pathetic excuses. Illegal ciggies? You mean a wealthy trade for IRA fat cats. Red diesel? Ditto and add environmental pollution from secret "washing" facilities. Sinn Fein a "green" party, utter bollocks, when their paramilitary wing are one of the worst polluters on the Island.
See my working class hero bullshit for this. What the media made up these brutal murders? Catch yourself on.
Not down south they're not, and like I said SF need to get going good at delivering the prosperity we'll see how well their vote holds up.
By what 20,000? And you lost a TD. Sinn Fein were expecting to make serious gains, they had the last great ground swell of the peace process, the northern assembly was no longer suspended, this was supposed to surge them into electoral success, instead they just about held on to what they had. Hell they were even talking about SF possibly being a force that could swing a coalition. They were Lame. They've now got to live or die on how effective they are as a political entity north and south, how the deliver for their constituencies on bread and butter issues. And their record on that is woeful. Shall we talk about their lip service to protest on the bin tax?
Jean-Luc
Well-Known Member
And these nutcases have the cheek to call themselves socialists as in the title of their front the so-called "Irish Republican Socialist Party". As if shooting drug-dealers was the answer to the problem of drug use and abuse. Drug dealers only exist because there's a demand for drugs and some people have turned to drugs because they see no other way out of the miserable conditions capitalism imposes on them -- some, in fact, have a chemical deficiency in the brain. So, what's the solution? Get rid of capitalism and maybe make some drugs available to some people with a particular problem.
Shooting drug-dealers is not the way out.
Shooting drug-dealers is not the way out.
8den
No I'm pretty sure that was 8ball...
TAE said:Yeah, whatever mate.
These people don't get hypocrisy. I finished my involvement with Indymedia Ireland after RSF (the INLA's "political wing") starting using the newswire to tout their shite. I couldn't find anything to stop them using it the editorial guidelines.
I'll give you an example of a typical press release. One was about the "Outrageous behaviour" of the PSNI who "used" a boy to find a INLA weapons stash, and this was "child endangerment". Then they proudly displayed their humanity and announced that the boy would not receive a kneecapping because he had learning difficulties.
Two points.
Firstly never mind having the guns in the first place, having guns in a place where children know where they are and unless they are under 24 guard, possibly could get access to them, is fucking child endangerment.
Secondly most people don't boast about not crippling a child because he has learning difficulties, because y'know, people DON'T USUALLY GO AROUND CRIPPLING CHILDREN. It just doesn't come up in the day day comings and goings of our lives. Really nothing to be proud of here. You're basically saying any kid with a healthy IQ who fucks with us better get used to life without kneecaps.
Nigel
For A Degenerates' Workers State
Looks like the state, both North & South of the border are taking recent developments very seriously:-
"The true nature of the twenty-six county state has reared its ugly head as two
members of the Irish Republican Socialist Party, 26-year-old John O'Donoghue
and 55-year-old James Butler were arrested for allegedly being part of an
illegal organisation, the Irish National Liberation Army.
Both men were arrested under the notorious section 30 which has granted the
twenty-six county state powers that add up to internment. Both comrades have
denied membership of the INLA, but on June 20, and the only evidence against
them being the word of one Gardai officer, they were remanded in custody none
the less.
This bears a frightening reminisce to the days of internment of republicans by
British imperialism in the six countries during the troubles. Internment was
used as a weapon to smash resistance to British imperialism and weaken the
movements of the working class in the six counties. It would not be the first
time either that internment has been used by the twenty-six county state to
stifle the movement of Irish working people.
In the aftermath of the formation of the twenty-six county state hundreds of
republicans and socialists were interned in an effort to end resistance to both
imperialism and capitalism in Ireland, to maintain British imperialism's
domination of the island. Many leaders were executed. The ruling class will go
to any length to maintain its political power, and as socialists we must
organise against such detentions and demand the immediate repeal of section 30.
Rather than an effort to crack down on serious crime as it has been presented,
"operation anvil" has amounted to no less than an attack on the IRSP by the
forces of the Irish ruling class, as was quite rightly recognised by IRSP Ard
Comhairle (executive committee) member Pól Little when he stated:
"This is clearly an attack on the IRSP as well as radical political agitation
within the 26 Counties. Today we have two individuals who face substantial
prison terms on the word of a single Gardai officer, all because of their
political orientation."
These arrests amount to nothing less than an attack on working class militants
in Ireland. The authorities are worried at the recent growth of the IRSP and
the newfound success of its attempts to build a mass working class based
movement. One of those arrested had only been a member of the IRSP for a few
weeks and yet is allegedly a hardened fighter. Clearly rather than trying to
fight crime the Gardai are yet again being used to attack the IRSP and prevent
the growth of revolutionary socialist ideas in Ireland.
Yet these attacks will not prevent the growth of socialism in Ireland. The
Cumman (branch) in Waterford that these two arrested men belong to is a recent
addition to the IRSP. The Irish working class has long struggled against bitter
repression both from the twenty-six county state and British imperialism. These
arrests are a naked display of the brutality of the ruling class in Ireland and
expose that their real interests lie in maintaining the status quo; they will
continue to act as the gatekeepers of British imperialism. In the long run
interment merely increases resentment and destroys any illusions that there
exists any real form of democracy or free political association in Ireland."
"The true nature of the twenty-six county state has reared its ugly head as two
members of the Irish Republican Socialist Party, 26-year-old John O'Donoghue
and 55-year-old James Butler were arrested for allegedly being part of an
illegal organisation, the Irish National Liberation Army.
Both men were arrested under the notorious section 30 which has granted the
twenty-six county state powers that add up to internment. Both comrades have
denied membership of the INLA, but on June 20, and the only evidence against
them being the word of one Gardai officer, they were remanded in custody none
the less.
This bears a frightening reminisce to the days of internment of republicans by
British imperialism in the six countries during the troubles. Internment was
used as a weapon to smash resistance to British imperialism and weaken the
movements of the working class in the six counties. It would not be the first
time either that internment has been used by the twenty-six county state to
stifle the movement of Irish working people.
In the aftermath of the formation of the twenty-six county state hundreds of
republicans and socialists were interned in an effort to end resistance to both
imperialism and capitalism in Ireland, to maintain British imperialism's
domination of the island. Many leaders were executed. The ruling class will go
to any length to maintain its political power, and as socialists we must
organise against such detentions and demand the immediate repeal of section 30.
Rather than an effort to crack down on serious crime as it has been presented,
"operation anvil" has amounted to no less than an attack on the IRSP by the
forces of the Irish ruling class, as was quite rightly recognised by IRSP Ard
Comhairle (executive committee) member Pól Little when he stated:
"This is clearly an attack on the IRSP as well as radical political agitation
within the 26 Counties. Today we have two individuals who face substantial
prison terms on the word of a single Gardai officer, all because of their
political orientation."
These arrests amount to nothing less than an attack on working class militants
in Ireland. The authorities are worried at the recent growth of the IRSP and
the newfound success of its attempts to build a mass working class based
movement. One of those arrested had only been a member of the IRSP for a few
weeks and yet is allegedly a hardened fighter. Clearly rather than trying to
fight crime the Gardai are yet again being used to attack the IRSP and prevent
the growth of revolutionary socialist ideas in Ireland.
Yet these attacks will not prevent the growth of socialism in Ireland. The
Cumman (branch) in Waterford that these two arrested men belong to is a recent
addition to the IRSP. The Irish working class has long struggled against bitter
repression both from the twenty-six county state and British imperialism. These
arrests are a naked display of the brutality of the ruling class in Ireland and
expose that their real interests lie in maintaining the status quo; they will
continue to act as the gatekeepers of British imperialism. In the long run
interment merely increases resentment and destroys any illusions that there
exists any real form of democracy or free political association in Ireland."
Jean-Luc
Well-Known Member
The IRSP and its "armed wing" of murdering thugs is an insult to the word "socialism". How can you be a "republican" and a "socialist"? Republicans want to extend the borders of the current Irish State to the north-east corner of Ireland, at whatever the cost (which would be a civil war and ethnic cleansing). But what difference would that make to the basic position of ordinary workers there? Apart that is, from painting the pillar boxes green and using the euro instead of the pound. A civil war and ethnic cleansing just for that! They must be nuts. Fortunately, the people of Ireland, North and South, are not. Socialism, on the other hand, always used to mean a world without borders, workers of the world unite, etc.,didn't it? As supporters of the expansion of a capitalist state the IRSP are not socialists, just leftwing Irish republicans, a nasty relic from Ireland's troubled past.
Deareg
Well-Known Member
8den said:Your "I get my information from working class communities" bullshit, I can hear the Shinner accent drip down the ISDN.
Oh and learn how to use the quote function.
no fuckwit, i live in a working class community you middle class wanker and i would'nt vote sinn fein if you paid me,
see if you get a few minutes spare in between saving the world and playing with your dick,will you teach me?
Fuck right off, while that was the case early on, you've now got an effective police policing body in the Ombudsman. I've met O'Loan, and was invited to debate alongside her in UCD.
effective at what? you cunt they do fuckall even loyalists are losing faith in them, and you met o' loanwow U DA MAN who else have you met? have you ever met any working class people? or are we too scary for you?
Christ what a whingy fucking list of pathetic excuses. Illegal ciggies? You mean a wealthy trade for IRA fat cats. Red diesel? Ditto and add environmental pollution from secret "washing" facilities. Sinn Fein a "green" party, utter bollocks, when their paramilitary wing are one of the worst polluters on the Island.
again fuckwit, i am not a provo but they are not the only ones here who dabble in the black market, plenty of ordinary skint proles do this too, it helps us to make ends meet, not that you will ever have to worry about that mr i met and debated with nuala
See my working class hero bullshit for this. What the media made up these brutal murders? Catch yourself on.
as your computer is the closest that you are ever going to get to the working class i will forgive you for thinking of me as some thing out of a john lennon song, but please mr i am a close friend of nuala stop fucking quoting the media at me, i cant believe that someone who is so close to nuala has to keep relying on them as backup for his view points
Not down south they're not, and like I said SF need to get going good at delivering the prosperity we'll see how well their vote holds up.
i am not a sinn fein voter
By what 20,000? And you lost a TD. Sinn Fein were expecting to make serious gains, they had the last great ground swell of the peace process, the northern assembly was no longer suspended, this was supposed to surge them into electoral success, instead they just about held on to what they had. Hell they were even talking about SF possibly being a force that could swing a coalition. They were Lame. They've now got to live or die on how effective they are as a political entity north and south, how the deliver for their constituencies on bread and butter issues. And their record on that is woeful. Shall we talk about their lip service to protest on the bin tax?[/QUOTE]
well first of all i would have thought that 20, 000 vote increase was significant, but what the hell do i know? fuck i cant even use the quotes function properly, secondly i did'nt lose any thing blah blah blah
Deareg
Well-Known Member
Jean-Luc said:
stopping scum from dealing drugs does not mean that we cant put in place programmes to deal with users addictions. in the short term shooting drug dealers is most definately a way out
nobody is saying it is the answer, this type of activity is only and can ever only be a stopgap until we have a police force that is answerable to the working class and not there to protect the interests of capitalists
and while we are waiting for capitalism to fall are we to allow drug dealers a free run to fuck up working class communities, it is you who is the fucking nutcase
8den
No I'm pretty sure that was 8ball...
Y'know, I had a long post, where I used the quote function, going back over Dearg point by point, but in the end its not worth.
Dearg you know fuck all about my background or my social class. Yet you seem to hold that fact that "I'm from a working class community" to mean that your opinion should carry some more weight round these parts. Fuck it that might work when you're shouting down some wet behind the ears SWPer but it means fuck all here. You're not a Sinner? Then what are you RSF? Not going to Nail your colours to any mast? You're an apologist for murdering sociopaths is what you are. Your day came. It went. We've moved on.
Dearg you know fuck all about my background or my social class. Yet you seem to hold that fact that "I'm from a working class community" to mean that your opinion should carry some more weight round these parts. Fuck it that might work when you're shouting down some wet behind the ears SWPer but it means fuck all here. You're not a Sinner? Then what are you RSF? Not going to Nail your colours to any mast? You're an apologist for murdering sociopaths is what you are. Your day came. It went. We've moved on.
Deareg
Well-Known Member
8den said:
8den i know as much about you as you do about me,i was trying to explain why working class people turned to paramilataries for help rather than the peelers, i also hope like you to see an end to paramilararies, but not at the cost of our communities turning into crime ridden ghettoes, i only brought the middle class thing up in response to your working class hero bollox, and it sounds like i touched a nerve, personally i could'nt give a fuck about your background you are entitled to your opinion, i only mentioned i am from a working class community because it is us that suffer when criminals are allowed free reign me and my wife and kids and freinds neighbours and so on, if that sounds like whinging then there is nothing i can do because it is how i feel
i dont think that it matters what if any my political affiliations are, imy wife has absolutly no interest in politics and does'nt vote either but she also is calling for direct action against anti social bastards who are trying to take control of our area, if they were relevent i would tell you, while i dont know anything about you and have no interest in doing so it is obvious you have had very little interactions with working class catholics, your whole terminology smacks of some one who is relying on cliches, soundbites and anti republican retoric to form an opinion
8den
No I'm pretty sure that was 8ball...
Deareg said:
FUCK YOU YOU FUCKING CUNT. Post 52 by your you talk about "ordinary working class communties." You do again in post 58. Its only after if you do your "I'm working class I knowit wha I speak of" spiel twice that I call you on it. Thats bullshit that is. You brought up this working class bollocks before I did you fucking fraud.
Really then why challenge what my background is, and accuse me of being "middle class" over and over again then? Hey Dearg, you could be winning the lance armstrong tour de france backpeddling award here.
And yet the criminals still exist.
So lets be clear you're not into politicals but don't entertain anti republican retoric. Right? So you're not RSF? Right? Not SF? Right? So who did you vote for?
So whom do you vote for dearg?
Oh and hypothetically if the Brits were killing people on your estates, gunning down kids, crippling children, would this be a good thing? Or a bad thing?
Jean-Luc
Well-Known Member
Sorry, mate, I don't agree that shooting drug dealers does any good in any circumstances. For a start, it only encourages them to form quasi-political armed gangs too. But, more basically, it's not the drug dealers who fuck up working class communities. It's that these communities have already been fucked up by capitalism and that this provides a market for the dealers. And what drugs are you talking about anyway? Does it include the drug half the Labour government and half the Tory front bench took "once or twice" when they were students? What about ectasy? In fact, what about alcohol?Deareg said:
And what is your "long term" solution to the drugs problem?
Deareg
Well-Known Member
Jean-Luc said:
i think this an over simplistec analysis, drugs are mostly only a problem if you cant afford them so this becomes a major problem in working class areas with so many low waged and unemployed users who then start to prey on other members of the community usually the weakest and least able to defend them selves, common sense alone says that if many areas of england had people who were prepared to tackle these individuals they would turn to them for help before going to a largely inefective and uninterested police, you are of course right when you say that drug dealers on there own dont fuck our communities, but they certainly help,
i take your point about alcohol and ecstacy especially alcohol but i think that you are missing the point a little bit, i am saying that it is local communities who go to groups like the inla to ask them to deal with criminality and anti social behaviour despite how the media portrays the situation, they do not go around looking for people to beat up and shoot, it usually takes a lot to force this type of action and mostly involves repeated incidents, it is almost unheard of for small time dealers to be be physically hurt they are just warned to stop dealing, it is the major players who are dealt with the worst,
i dont have the long term answer, but it can only come about by empowering local people in working class areas to take control of our own communities and i cant see this happening without a socialist system
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