Dublin INLA execute ex member Brian McGlynn

[Gingerman]

They were prob only getting rid of compition.

 

[Deareg]

They were prob only getting rid of compition.

no that is just your own mindset, i wont even ask you to provide any evidence of any republicans dealing drugs because you wont be able to as it does'nt excist,

 

[Cobbles]

the inla themselves have said that in the past their actions fell far short of of what the community were entitled to expect and have apologised, did you notice that all of these people were involved back in the eighties?

Did they manage to un-drill any knee-caps?

 

[Deareg]

Did they manage to un-drill any knee-caps?

again, any fucking links or sourses, has any one actually going to try and put forward an arguement or is it all just unsubstanciated snide one liners?

 

[Gingerman]

no that is just your own mindset, i wont even ask you to provide any evidence of any republicans dealing drugs because you wont be able to as it does'nt excist,

So do you have proof that all the so called anti social individuals the INLA punish are guilty?No matter how you dress it up,murder is fuckin murder

 

[Deareg]

So do you have proof that all the so called anti social individuals the INLA punish are guilty?No matter how you dress it up,murder is fuckin murder

no i dont have proof, how would i? are you going to engage in a debate or just keep on trying to score points, you have not tried once to back any of your posts up, while i agree that murder is murder and a far from satisfactory way of dealing with these individuals i would still rather they were shot than have our communities go the way that many in britain and the south of ireland have gone,

 

[TAE]

inquiries are always carried out supported by the community

That's not due process. I can't believe you are trying to justify this behaviour.

 

[Deareg]

That's not due process. I can't believe you are trying to justify this behaviour.

yes i am justifying it and many more within republican areas are justifying it too,

nationalists have had next too no justice since this place was first founded with thousands locked up for years on end with little or no evidence in non jury courts and thousands more over the years without even trial, so it is a bit rich to start talking about due process

 

[Gingerman]

no i dont have proof, how would i? are you going to engage in a debate or just keep on trying to score points, you have not tried once to back any of your posts up, while i agree that murder is murder and a far from satisfactory way of dealing with these individuals i would still rather they were shot than have our communities go the way that many in britain and the south of ireland have gone,

So we should just bring the fucking death peantly back then!

 

[TAE]

yes i am justifying it and many more within republican areas are justifying it too,

That's very sad.

nationalists have had next too no justice since this place was first founded with thousands locked up for years on end with little or no evidence in non jury courts and thousands more over the years without even trial,

I'm sure the police 'made inquiries'.

so it is a bit rich to start talking about due process

No, it's a good reason to insist on due process.

 

[Deareg]

That's very sad.


I'm sure the police 'made inquiries'.


No, it's a good reason to insist on due process.

sad but true

you obviously have no idea then about policing over here

quite possibly, but if your version of due process means this place turning into a mirror image of large parts of england then it is not going to happen any time soon as more and more people call on paramilataries to once again take control of the anti-social elements

 

[Deareg]

So we should just bring the fucking death peantly back then!

do you see every thing in 1's and 0's? obviously in the long term we are going to have see an end to this type of activity but it is going to continue until we have a police force that is acceptable and accountable to the nationalists and probably unionists too, people over here have stood on their own without a legitimate police for too long now so it is going to take a while for attitudes to change,

what wont be accepted is the type of policing that you are probably used too and which is largely inefective and allows for criminals to intimidate victims and witnesses into keeping quiet, all you have to do is look at communities in england that are awash with drugs and crime, that is not going to be allowed to happen over here

 

[lewislewis]

I don't take either side, but to be honest i'm internationally against the death penalty including extra-judicial killings. I would condemn all murders including this one.

But at the same time we have to recognise we cannot apply British-style thinking to that problem in Ireland, due to the very different nature of communities and violence in that country, and to criticise the involved factions and communities from a (laudable) moral viewpoint is slightly naive and ignorant of the very real conditions on the ground.

 

[TAE]

you obviously have no idea then about policing over here

I was being sarcastinc in regards to your post #22.

quite possibly, but if your version of due process means this place turning into a mirror image of large parts of england then it is not going to happen any time soon as more and more people call on paramilataries to once again take control of the anti-social elements

That's a shite way of running things.

 

[TAE]

But at the same time we have to recognise we cannot apply British-style thinking to that problem in Ireland, due to the very different nature of communities and violence in that country, and to criticise the involved factions and communities from a (laudable) moral viewpoint is slightly naive and ignorant of the very real conditions on the ground.

The right to a proper fair trial is not some peculiarly british 'moral viewpoint' and it is certainly not 'slightly naive' to want everyone to have it.

 

[Deareg]

I was being sarcastinc in regards to your post #22.


That's a shite way of running things.

sorry i missed it

this place has always been run in a shite manner, the people here have been through too much just too turn the place over to drug dealers and other anti-social/criminal elemants. as brutal as summary justice is and i agree with you that it is brutal as i have already said in the absense of a legitimate police force the people here will probably continue to police themselves

 

[Deareg]

I don't take either side, but to be honest i'm internationally against the death penalty including extra-judicial killings. I would condemn all murders including this one.

But at the same time we have to recognise we cannot apply British-style thinking to that problem in Ireland, due to the very different nature of communities and violence in that country, and to criticise the involved factions and communities from a (laudable) moral viewpoint is slightly naive and ignorant of the very real conditions on the ground.

strange as my posts may seem i am also against the death penalty in a civilised and ordered society, sadly we have neither here and have'nt ever had,

you are the only poster that is not trying to look at this place as if it was london or any other place that has had some sembelance of being run normally

 

[Das Uberdog]

So you think Crack and smack dealers are worse than some of the physcos that ran with the INLA then,people like Mad Dog McGlinchy,Dessie O Hare and Gerard 'Dr. Death' Steenson

Anyone with a name like 'Mad Dog' is alright by me.

 

[8den]

Going to regret posting on this, but.

Cairns, 18, was described as a "quiet young lad", due to start work as a mechanic yesterday. It is understood he was injured in a shooting by the INLA last year after being accused of fighting with one of its members.

O'Neill, 18, had been suffering from severe depression for a year since he was also the victim of the INLA's summary justice.

His sister, Patricia, said he was dragged from his bed and put down a manhole for seven hours. His captors told him they were going for a gun. As he waited in the dark, O'Neill chewed through an electrical wire in which he was bound and, covered in blood, ran to his sister's house.

She said he had not been the same since, suffering anxiety and deep paranoia. "He felt he was worthless, he thought he was scum. He was no angel, but he wasn't in any [armed] groups ... Because there is no longer a war on, these groups are turning on their own. They need to find something worthwhile to do.

"My 13-year-old son walks around the park and he says a paramilitary says to the boys: 'What age are you? It won't be long before you're getting shot.' It's a form of terrorism, of torturing the boys."

Teenage suicide is a epidemic in areas where community policing occurs
http://www.guardian.co.uk/Northern_Ireland/Story/0,,1149770,00.html
You can rant and rave about these communities being let down by the state but, in the end of the day, no one is putting a gun in the INLA's hand and forcing them to shoot teenagers. The system isn't perfect but it doesn't cripple children intently leaving both physical and psychological scars.

 

[Gingerman]

Anyone with a name like 'Mad Dog' is alright by me.

Johnny "Mad Dog" Adair? hmmm

 

[likesfish]

we are going to get picky about murderous fuck
heads are we?
its a dangerous game the patriots game maiming teenagers and killing drug dealers who did'nt give the boys cash all in the name of justice

 

[Deareg]

Going to regret posting on this, but.



Teenage suicide is a epidemic in areas where community policing occurs
http://www.guardian.co.uk/Northern_Ireland/Story/0,,1149770,00.html
You can rant and rave about these communities being let down by the state but, in the end of the day, no one is putting a gun in the INLA's hand and forcing them to shoot teenagers. The system isn't perfect but it doesn't cripple children intently leaving both physical and psychological scars.

is that the sum total of your point of view? quoting a british newspaper?

i am not ranting or raving, i am trying to explain how and why ordinary working class people turn to paramilataries for help rather than going to the police,

you are right the system is not perfect but at least you have a system, the police over here for years turned a blind eye or completely ignored anti-social behaviour in return for information and also to break a communities spirit, from drug dealers, criminals and thugs that same community are not just going to turn to them now because the conflict has stopped

 

[Deareg]

we are going to get picky about murderous fuck
heads are we?
its a dangerous game the patriots game maiming teenagers and killing drug dealers who did'nt give the boys cash all in the name of justice

have you actually got anything to say? instead of regurgitating cliched black propaganda

 

[TAE]

the police over here for years turned a blind eye

Isn't that partly because the police and anyone who went to the police were being attacked ?

 

[8den]

is that the sum total of your point of view? quoting a british newspaper?

Its been reported elsewhere, that was the first link I found. What would satisfy you, a UTV report? Perhaps the Irish Sunday Independent? Henry Mc Donald the guardian's long time Ireland correspondent is Belfast born and raised. Or is An Phoblacht gospel for you?

i am not ranting or raving, i am trying to explain how and why ordinary working class people turn to paramilataries for help rather than going to the police,

you are right the system is not perfect but at least you have a system, the police over here for years turned a blind eye or completely ignored anti-social behaviour in return for information and also to break a communities spirit, from drug dealers, criminals and thugs that same community are not just going to turn to them now because the conflict has stopped

But no offense, drug dealing, joyriding and anti social behaviour are still going on, and the IRA/INLA are not an effective deterrent.


Secondly Quis Custodiet ipsos custodes, Who polices the police. The death of Robert McCarthy and the IRA cover-up that followed in the wake of his death. In that instance these groups are more than happy for anti social behaviour to occur, witness the rioting that went on when the PSNI made it's first attempt to collect witnesses. These paramilitary thugs can effectively silence entire communities and act with impunity. How much do people want these "community police" and how much of it is fear if they are crossed?

 

[clevertrevor555]

is that the sum total of your point of view? quoting a british newspaper?

i am not ranting or raving, i am trying to explain how and why ordinary working class people turn to paramilataries for help rather than going to the police,

you are right the system is not perfect but at least you have a system, the police over here for years turned a blind eye or completely ignored anti-social behaviour in return for information and also to break a communities spirit, from drug dealers, criminals and thugs that same community are not just going to turn to them now because the conflict has stopped

You dont have a clue, they dont represent the community and have no mandate.


>>>>

And during the 'party', they delivered a savage beating to the pal of a young suicide victim the gang had themselves driven to take his own life.

The young lad punched one of the INLA men and knocked him to the ground, before the rest of Dark Cloud's men piled in and gave him a savage beating.

Said one source: "What these thugs were saying to the relatives of the young people who killed themselves was just disgusting.

"And when one stood up for himself, they gave him a beating.

"They just think they are untouchable, but they make people sick."

The INLA in Ardoyne was blamed for driving a number of young people to take their own lives because of their bullying 'punishment attacks'.

More than a dozen young people killed themselves in the first half of the year alone.



http://www.childrenofireland.us/Sui...gang_in_spanish_blow-11-28-04 Belfast Tel.htm

 

[Deareg]

Isn't that partly because the police and anyone who went to the police were being attacked ?

so that justifies allowing drugdealers and criminals free reign? even when arrested they just ask for their handlers and they were back on the street a few hours later, you fucking hypocrite

 

[Deareg]

Its been reported elsewhere, that was the first link I found. What would satisfy you, a UTV report? Perhaps the Irish Sunday Independent? Henry Mc Donald the guardian's long time Ireland correspondent is Belfast born and raised. Or is An Phoblacht gospel for you?



But no offense, drug dealing, joyriding and anti social behaviour are still going on, and the IRA/INLA are not an effective deterrent.


Secondly Quis Custodiet ipsos custodes, Who polices the police. The death of Robert McCarthy and the IRA cover-up that followed in the wake of his death. In that instance these groups are more than happy for anti social behaviour to occur, witness the rioting that went on when the PSNI made it's first attempt to collect witnesses. These paramilitary thugs can effectively silence entire communities and act with impunity. How much do people want these "community police" and how much of it is fear if they are crossed?

unlike you i dont need to rely on the media, if ordinary working class people did'nt want the paramilataries then they would'nt exist, irrespective of what henry mcdonald or any other journalist says, again you are demonstrating your complete lack of any understanding of life over by relying on the media for your information,

i know damn well that paramilataries are not the long term answer but whether you like it or not they have kept a lid on this type of behaviour far more effectively than any police force in britain or the south of ireland,

and you are correct about the shameful behaviour of those involved in robert mccartneys murder, but these type of incidents are rare enough over here for people to still vote sinn fein so republicans must be doing something right, or do you believe that people are also intimidated into voting sinn fein?

 

[Deareg]

You dont have a clue, they dont represent the community and have no mandate.


>>>>

And during the 'party', they delivered a savage beating to the pal of a young suicide victim the gang had themselves driven to take his own life.

The young lad punched one of the INLA men and knocked him to the ground, before the rest of Dark Cloud's men piled in and gave him a savage beating.

Said one source: "What these thugs were saying to the relatives of the young people who killed themselves was just disgusting.

"And when one stood up for himself, they gave him a beating.

"They just think they are untouchable, but they make people sick."

The INLA in Ardoyne was blamed for driving a number of young people to take their own lives because of their bullying 'punishment attacks'.

More than a dozen young people killed themselves in the first half of the year alone.



http://www.childrenofireland.us/Sui...gang_in_spanish_blow-11-28-04 Belfast Tel.htm

what makes you so knowledgable to be able to say that i dont have a clue?

i dont have any first hand knowledge of the incident that you quoted either so i cant comment on it, but i do know of quite a few people who have been shot for anti-social behaviour including 2 of my own nephews and almost without fail they swear on anything and everything that they are little angels who have never in their life done anything wrong, i also know that this place has one of the highest suicide rates in the world especially among young people, are you saying that the inla are responsible for all of these?

 

[TAE]

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