drunk drivivng

[Radar]

You're wriggling again..

Contradict the Home Office sponsored results please. Any similar sort of cannabis & driving imparment study will suffice, not a test about pilots. We weren't talking about pilots, soldiers, tailors or sailors.

We were talking about driving. More accurately, you were, so back it up please

 

[Spymaster]

Answer my question Tobyjug.

 

[tobyjug]

You're wriggling again..

Contradict the Home Office sponsored results please. Any similar sort of cannabis & driving imparment study will suffice, not a test about pilots. We weren't talking about pilots, soldiers, tailors or sailors.

We were talking about driving. More accurately, you were, so back it up please

The TRRL research sponsored by the Home Office is ongoing. The preliminary results cost £50 a copy.

 

[tobyjug]

Answer my question Tobyjug.

Where did I state they were friends?

 

[Radar]

The TRRL research sponsored by the Home Office is ongoing. The preliminary results cost £50 a copy.

So shall we stick with the current report from 2000 that is published then ??

Because if we do, you're going down

 

[tobyjug]

So shall we stick with the current report from 2000 that is published then ??

Because if we do, you're going down

I doubt it, the section on lateral perception for one thing plus driving slower than normal is dangerous. Not "making progress" is a fail on a driving test.

 

[Radar]

I doubt it, the section on lateral perception for one thing plus driving slower than normal is dangerous. Not "making progress" is a fail on a driving test.

OK Toby. You're refusing to engage now. I think we laid out the facts between us for all to see, let's allow folk to make their own minds up on the validity of the 48 hour Spliff -> Car margin.

TRL already have.

 

[tobyjug]

OK Toby. You're refusing to engage now. I think we laid out the facts between us for all to see, let's allow folk to make their own minds up on the validity of the 48 hour Spliff -> Car margin.

TRL already have.

TRRL only carried out some very basic tests. I suggest you read the conclusions VERY thoroughly if you have the report in its entirety to hand.
(This is not the same as the published report which is a précis. You have to pay £50 for the complete report and are restricted in what can be legally quoted without TRRL permission).

 

[Spymaster]

Where did I state they were friends?

If they weren't your friends why did you ferry these potential killers (that you would have had shot) around?

What are you lying about Tobyjug?

a) That you are friends with potential killers and therefore a hypocrite

OR

b) That you don't actually consider cannabis users to be as bad as you make out and are therefore a troll.

I won't let you run from this either.

Answer the questions.

 

[Radar]

I have read it Toby. And in the appendix it has a copy of all the test forms plus the checklist before subjects were allowed home. Now if the last test was 100 mins after smoking, yet when they were sent home they were told to avoid operating heavy machinery or driving for another three hours.

So, irrespective of the results, the protocol protecting the subjects only stipulated a ban on driving for approx 5 hours after said single spliff, not the magic figure of 48 hours you stated Mrs Spymaster should be subject to.

Clearer ?? Of course not

 

[tobyjug]

If they weren't your friends why did you ferry these potential killers that you would have had shot around?
What are you lying about Tobyjug?
a) That you are friends with potential killers and therefore a hypocrite
OR
b) That you don't actually consider cannabis users to be as bad as you make out and are therefore a troll.
I won't let you run from this either.
Answer the questions.

Fairly obviously they could not drink and drive if they were being chauffered.
I consider (based on personal experience) that cannabis users are useless scum, and usually engaged in other law breaking as well.

 

[Spymaster]

Fairly obviously they could not drink and drive if they were being chauffered.

Cannabis users (the majority of whom harm nobody) are useless scum but your drink driving buddies (who, to a man, endanger innocent lives) are ok ?

You're a fucking lying cunt Tobyjug. You're falling to bits here aren't you? They ARE your mates aren't they?

You hypocritical arsehole.

 

[Teepee]

Wow, I've never seen someone's argument so massively and completely pissed upon. Nice job, Radar and Spymaster, Toby, you're an idiot but you made me laugh in this thread so I forgive you.

Edit: my mate's a medical student, qualifies in a year and smokes a lot of pot. Another is a classics scholar at Oxford. Smokes a lot of pot too. Both useless scum?

 

[Derian]

I consider (based on personal experience) that cannabis users are useless scum, and usually engaged in other law breaking as well.

*seethe*

Jeez Toby - I've got strong views on drink driving, because my sister was killed by one, but how on earth did you get to the above statement

 

[tobyjug]

Cannabis users (the majority of whom harm nobody) are useless scum but your drink driving buddies (who, to a man, endanger innocent lives) are ok ?

You're a fucking lying cunt Tobyjug. You're falling to bits here aren't you? They ARE your mates aren't they?

You hypocritical arsehole.

If you have to resort to insults you are losing the argument.
I did not drive them to a darts match as a philanthropic exercise, there was and exchange of social favours as result.
The local cannabis culture tried to get me fitted up with an arson charge and a theft charge just for expressing an opinion in a letter to a local newspaper.
The local cannabis culture are a shower of shit basically, most of them have not done a stroke of work since they left school, (some of them are now approaching 40 years old)
I am sorry if the mythological picture of the harmless pot smoker of the past smoking a spliff whilst listenig to Janis Joplin records is somewhat removed from the current reality in a poor areas but that is not my fault.

 

[Derian]

Spymaster's not the sort to just fling insults willy nilly. Maybe you just hit on a nerve with that 'lump all cannabis users together' generalist, stereotypical, my experience-so-therefore-that's-the-case-bar-none stuff?

 

[Teepee]

Wait toby, so you pissed off your town's cannabis users to the point where they tried get you sent down? I'm assuming the letter you sent to the paper said something like 'pot smokers are all scum'.

Seems like you make a habit of pissing people off by expressing your baseless opinions to me. It's all you've done in this thread.

 

[blackadder]

I consider (based on personal experience) that cannabis users are useless scum, and usually engaged in other law breaking as well.

As someone who actualy agrees with you on most of your points, I can't agree with you on this point! I rarely smoke cannabis, but when I do, I make sure I have no responcibilities to tend to. I don't abuse the drug, I take very small amounts (single cig paper) and sit back and enjoy the upside-down feeling.
My window cleaner is a heavey user of cannabis, but he aint scum, he has his own business, owns his own 200 grand house, takes care of his kids.

However, I do know that a lot of users just drug their way through life, usualy finding the funds through crime.

 

[Binkie]

1 unit = 1 hour

I learned yesterday that it takes roughly a hour for the alcohol in one unit of booze to go away. So a pint of beer or a glass of wine takes two hours to wear off.

 

[geminisnake]

You don't drive, operate machinery or go to work within 48 hours of your cannabis use do you.

NO, I don't.
I don't work due to a road accident(I was the innocent party I'd like to point out), if I am operating machinery it is liable to be a vacuum cleaner, washing machine, breadmaker, lawnmower or hedge trimmer(none of which I use on a daily basis) and I try to drive as little as possible because of all the morons who pull out in front of you and try to kill you on the road

Hope you have a lovely anniversary

 

[Spymaster]

Hello Tobyjug,

I'm Spymasters wife.

He's rather upset with you for describing me as "useless scum".

I've read this discourse and would like to say that my colleagues and I are currently engaged in what some would consider "useful" work. Apart from proof reading for several charities in my spare time (when I'm not too stoned) I'm involved with preparing casework that may (or may not) see some war criminals arrested and tried.

What do you do?

 

[Radar]

Apart from proof reading for several charities in my spare time (when I'm not too stoned) I'm involved with preparing casework that may (or may not) see some war criminals arrested and tried.

Just make sure you don't go near a copy of flight sim for two days, young lady

 

[Spymaster]

Just make sure you don't go near a copy of flight sim for two days, young lady

She's gone mate .... jacking up in the bog I think.

 

[Radar]

She's gone mate .... jacking up in the bog I think.

Bloody stoners

 

[Roadkill]

I've driven drunk once, when I was young and stupid. I'd only had three or four pints, but I still drove like an idiot (well, more so than I usually did back then). I missed a head-on collision by inches, pulling out to overtake at a spot I kew to be dangerous, on a road I knew like the back of my hand. Never, ever again.

 

[detective-boy]

What do you do?

Mostly he writes fiction, but occasionally he seems to be some sort of vigilante ...

 

[Cloud]

I'd not drive for two days after a litre of vodka

 

[UnderOpenSky]

Attitudes can be funny things. When I was younger I would never consider drink driving, but would go to rave, neck 5 pills and drive home when I had "come down". Lots of my mates had the same attitude.

Looking back its fucking stupid and I think the only reason that I didn't die was that the roads around the county were normally dead at 5.00am.

 

[subversplat]

Does anybody else think it's quite funny how a large number of people's objections to drink driving get quietened down somewhat when they need to get somewhere and there's only one (impaired) driver?

 

[GarfieldLeChat]

Does anybody else think it's quite funny how a large number of people's objections to drink driving get quietened down somewhat when they need to get somewhere and there's only one (impaired) driver?

well i think you are in a majority of one there son...