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ChrisFilter said:
Yeah, that's along the lines of what I said.
Shame he aint come back to add more to his thread.
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Yeah, that's along the lines of what I said.
Shame he aint come back to add more to his thread.
Stobart Stopper
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OK! I will do it some time tomorrow, can't do it now as I am dosed up with Tramadols due to my chronic back pain (that's why I am awake at this silly hour)Shirl said:I think there's been some waiting on anther thread yesterday and today, something about chavs?
The Chav poll is coming!
geminisnake
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tobyjug said:
I have no baggage or culture that goes with me having a quiet smoke in the privacy of my own home.If you entered my house any time before about 8.30pm you wouldn't know we smoke, then you would possibly be able to smell a hint of smoke.
I really don't understand your total anti-ness toby. I know loads of people who only smoke that don't do the 'baggage and culture' stuff.
Spymaster
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geminisnake said:
Yes but he doesn't.
Tobes is your typical narrow minded old fart who thinks he's seen and done it all when in fact his actual life experience has been sadly limited and shaped by the ignorance and bigotry of the 50's, 60's and 70's.
It's not his fault, he's probably a nice enough and decent bloke in RL, but he wouldn't want you or I as a friend.
Spymaster said:
You perception is very badly flawed. The shit that is the cannabis culture is based on current and ongoing experience.
A friend called today to tell me she is moving away from her home because the cannabis dealer in the next flat to hers is making her life intolerable.
The local authority and the police have done fuck all about the dealer despite the way his presence has blighted the council estate where my friend lives.
If it were not for the fact his flat is on the second floor,only has one entrance, and there are babies in the surrounding flats I would sort the bastard personally.
Stobart Stopper
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I don't label everyone who has a drink as a wife-beating, violent thug. This is what you are doing, anyone who goes near a bit of dope is a low-life, according to your way of thinking.
Spymaster
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tobyjug said:
You see mate, this is the problem. You seem ONLY to have experience of cunts like this and it's not the norm. Really. The vast majority of people who enjoy a smoke every now and then, or even regularly are just regular Joe Shmoes and you wouldn't have a clue they like a puff. They are involved in no "culture" and carry no "baggage". If you met me, most of my mates or (I'd hazard a guess) the majority of U75 posters in a boozer you wouldn't have a clue what they do in private. Yet you're prepared to condemn them for something that harms nobody whilst ferrying drink-drivers (potential murderers) to and from darts matches.
Right now my wife, who's a lawyer and about as far from the stereotypical druggie that you seem to visualise as is possible, is sitting 5 feet from me chilling out with a spliff and a glass of wine whilst watching Parkinson on TV (I've got headphones on
). But I guess you've as much right to your opinion as anyone else has to theirs.
Spymaster said:Right now my wife, who's a lawyer and about as far from the stereotypical druggie that you seem to visualise as is possible, is sitting 5 feet from me chilling out with a spliff and a glass of wine whilst watching Parkinson on TV (I've got headphones on
.
I hope your wife is not going to drive a car for the next 48 hours.
Stobart Stopper
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It's bollocks Tobyjug, it's all about impairment, not about whether or not you have a trace of cannabis in your bloodstream. It probably wouldn't be wise for Mrs Spymaster to get in a car and drive tonight if she's had a spliff and some wine, but tomorrow morning she probably wouldn't be driving any different to someone who hasn't had anything.
Stobart Stopper said:
I am fully aware of that and the fact cannabis can be detected up to six weeks and longer by blood or urine test has fuck all to do with the issue of detectable impairement which does not as you are fully aware involve testing for the presence of anything in the blood or urine.
I've just had a dig around and found a copy of a TRL report on Cannabis and Driving on Erowid, after their tests (which included smoking a single joint they told subjects not to drive for three hours!!Stobart Stopper said:
So, not allowing for the gap between smoking and being put in the cab home, you were only out by a factor of 16 then. Even if they took a couple of hours for the tests, that's still only five hours v the 48 hours required in Tobyland. Another TobyFact (tm) bites the dust.
I'd also read the following to your darts team the next time they need a driver, particularly the second sentence. It's the last para in the executive summary of said report.
Radar said:
Reference Design Subjects Cannabis dose Task Main results
Janowsky et al, 1974a
(duplicated in Janowsky, 1974b) Randomised, double blind crossover Seven professional and three private male pilots who smoked cannabis socially Active (0.09 mg/kg THC) or placebo smoked in a pipe Four consecutive four minute holding patters in simulator, with different degrees of difficulty, 30 minutes after smoking Significantly worse performance on altitude, heading deviation and number of minor and major errors.
JA Yesavage et al, 1985 Cohort study without placebo because subjects could identify active drug Ten private pilots experienced at smoking cannabis 19 mg THC smoked Simulator flights with prior practice at baseline and 1, 4 and 24 hours after smoking Significant changes from baseline in tasks at all times after smoking
VO Leirer et al, 1989 Randomised, double blind crossover Nine younger pilots (18-29 years) and nine older pilots (30-48 years) Placebo and 10 and 20 mg THC smoked 15 minute flight scenario (calm and turbulent flight) after training on a simulator at baseline and 1, 4, 8, 24 and 48 hours after smoking Dose, time after smoking, conditions, and age were important factors. Worst performance 1 and 4 hours after smoking in turbulent conditions
VO Leirer et al, 1991 Comparative study, randomisation and blinding not stated Eleven pilots smoking cannabis in past, but two were present users and excluded Placebo and 20 mg THC cigarettes Standard scenario in flight simulator with training at baseline and 15 minutes, and 4, 8 and 24 hours after smoking Impaired performance at all times after smoking
Looks like Mrs Spymaster better stay off flight sim for a while then 
Howver , a TRL trial under Home office advisement concerning driving rather than throwing in an extra dimention ? I would think that's more relevant. I would also think that their safety margins would err on the side of caution.
Howver , a TRL trial under Home office advisement concerning driving rather than throwing in an extra dimention ? I would think that's more relevant. I would also think that their safety margins would err on the side of caution.
Spymaster
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tobyjug said:
But not the punishment deemed appropriate by the pious Tobyjug!
Come on Tobyjug, you think these guys should have been shot for what they did. Why do you associate with potential killers and drive them to darts matches?
I've busted you again haven't I?
Are you going to ignore this thread now as you usually do when you're caught out?
Spymaster said:
None of them had been involved in an accident, they were random checked.
Some of them in the process of getting in their cars.
(Which is very common in this area).
It is a case of targetting offenders based on complaints from the public before they cause an accident.
It is very noticeable now if one care to look outside the bar of the local club there will be no cars parked. Job done as far as I am concerned.
Radar said:
As it was the result of using the same practical tests pilots have to take on a regular basis to keep a pilots licence yes I do. Bollocks it most certainly isn't.
(Bear in mind commericial pilots are somewhat fitter and healthier than the average person let alone the average member of the cannabis culture)
I would also point out a small amount of THC plus a small amount of alcohol is a lot of impairment without adding the other drugs a lot people neck down as well into the equation.
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