Drug dealing scumbags
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Pie 1 said:
Get your facts right - I'm not a NIMBY I'm a NIMFY - it was my FRONT YARD the guy was in, remember?
So what's your attitude? Invite the fuckups in for a cup of tea? You're dreaming, mate. You pressume you know what kind of person I am by you Clapham forum jibe but you don't have a clue.
If you think everything is rosy in this neighbourhood, good for you, you're entitled to your opinion however detatched from reality it may be.
timothysutton1 said:
I think that may be an unfortunate side effect of the police taking more interest in flushing the punters off Brixton Hill. I was living in Fairmount Road around 12 years ago and it was rare to walk down Brixton Hill without encountering a roaring trade in street prostitutes. It was amazing how fast even the most deperate looking types were picked up...
Ms T said:
Sorry you feel that way. But I will stress i walk pass that corner at least twice every day and it's very rare for me to see an intimidatingly large group of people late at night. I take on board Hendo's point, but it's generally earlier in the evening I see bigger groupings of people.
For me, it's the same as it has been for the last 10 years or so, although I'll admit to not perhaps not feeling as secure as I once was - I suspect that's more age and increasing acceptance that I'm not as big, clever or as fast as I used to think I was.
goldman said:
Oh, there's nothing wrong with having concern for the area in which you live. Thing is, goldman, your not really concered as such are you? your just annoyed that your little unconcerned bubble is penetrated now and again by a bit of reality you'd rather see kept away from you.
Your not really concerned about why these people might have ended up here and certainly don't seemed concerned about what might happen to them after they've been cleared away for you as your references so clearly demonstrate:
Thing is, goldman, when you steam in here using that kind of rhetoric combined with a rather sad sort of sub lads mag gobby journo affection, people naturally and, rather fairly, mark you as a bit of a wanker - which I'm pretty sure is correct.
Blagsta
Minimum cage, maximum cage
timothysutton1 said:
Yes, residents do have every right to complain. So long as they can do so in a way that takes into account that not everyone hanging out on the streets at night is dealing or using and that the dealers and users are human beings. Merely pushing them out of the area isn't going to solve anything.
gaijingirl
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I have to say I've never really had much of a problem with "that" corner - the only run in I can remember in recent times was when a couple of obviously "worse for the wear" individuals, mistook my boyfriend and I for OB as we were wearing our illuminous jackets on our bicycles and struck up rather a friendly conversation with us... 
I have had a few lewd comments on the other side - outside KFC - but can usually brush them off with a sharp "have a bit of respect" type retort. I even got an apology once. I think things aren't great but I feel like I've become a bit immune to it, or maybe I just don't notice. In my last flat there was a really bad problem with local prostitutes using our block to entertain and local crack addicts using it to take their drugs. Again, it seemed to all wash over me, but I know my neighbour practically suffered a nervous breakdown and moved to Bristol as a result!
I have had a few lewd comments on the other side - outside KFC - but can usually brush them off with a sharp "have a bit of respect" type retort. I even got an apology once. I think things aren't great but I feel like I've become a bit immune to it, or maybe I just don't notice. In my last flat there was a really bad problem with local prostitutes using our block to entertain and local crack addicts using it to take their drugs. Again, it seemed to all wash over me, but I know my neighbour practically suffered a nervous breakdown and moved to Bristol as a result!
Why the degredation of vaginas?
'a dirty great dripping gash' why, in an arguement does someone have to drop to the level of degrading female genitals? That has made me angry more than all the other silly posings here! Leave vaginas out of it!
Also, I am of the frame of mind (living in Brixton nearly 3 years, off Josephine Ave...) that there is little point ranting and raving, it is unlikely that Brixton will 'gentrify' like say (which I think will please people on here for some odd reason, wouldn't it be nice for the Windrush pensioners if there lovely old Victorian property prices went through the roof? I think it would), Notting Hill, I just can't see it, so anyone who thinks that should probably sell up and move to Balham, where it is actually gentrifying... I don't often feel threatened in brixton, I know for a fact 'street' crime is worse in Battersea/Clapham where the divide of money is wider, a policewoman told me this in fact.
So to conclude, I find it odd that someone who has a strong aversion to seeing crack dealers and junkies would move to Saltoun Rd anyway, it's notorious! And OP says has lived in other areas of Brixton, so should know this.
'a dirty great dripping gash' why, in an arguement does someone have to drop to the level of degrading female genitals? That has made me angry more than all the other silly posings here! Leave vaginas out of it!
Also, I am of the frame of mind (living in Brixton nearly 3 years, off Josephine Ave...) that there is little point ranting and raving, it is unlikely that Brixton will 'gentrify' like say (which I think will please people on here for some odd reason, wouldn't it be nice for the Windrush pensioners if there lovely old Victorian property prices went through the roof? I think it would), Notting Hill, I just can't see it, so anyone who thinks that should probably sell up and move to Balham, where it is actually gentrifying... I don't often feel threatened in brixton, I know for a fact 'street' crime is worse in Battersea/Clapham where the divide of money is wider, a policewoman told me this in fact.
So to conclude, I find it odd that someone who has a strong aversion to seeing crack dealers and junkies would move to Saltoun Rd anyway, it's notorious! And OP says has lived in other areas of Brixton, so should know this.
RushcroftRoader
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Manmasi said:
I live very close to Windrush Square and in defence of the police (yes, i know, sorry), the problem of crack dealing on the square and Rushcroft Road has lessened since the no deal initiative came in. Not sure if the problem has been partially solved or whether the crack boys have just displaced to somewhere else.
I am still amazed that anybody on this forum has a problem with police stomping on crack dealers.
Not saying anything about the skunk merchants - thats a whole other debate - but purely when it comes to crack, a tough clampdown is long overdue and completely welcome as far as I am concerned.
And I am sorry, but no one should tolerate crack dealing on their doorstep. It is wrong to simply accept it as "part of Brixton life". Thats bollocks. The stuff causes complete misery for everyone who comes in contact with it and the sorry souls who are addicted to it.
I quite agree above poster, I wasn't suggesting that residents should put up and shut up, just hinting that Saltoun Rd is infamous and it's a bit short-sighted to move there in the wish it might smarten up, it probably won't. Believe me, I have very little sympathy for drug pushers generally.
ViolentPanda
Hardly getting over it.
You're right that Brixton won't gentrify in the way that Notting Hill did (which, in terms of "gentrification" was damned fast and a legacy of the type of tenancy that was prevalent in the area from the 1950s through to the 1980s), but it will happen, just a lot slower. It'll have the same effect though, which'll be to marginalise those "old-time" locals who don't own property pretty much into large-scale social housing, and to incentivise those "old-time" locals who do own property to sell up because they no longer feel "at home" there.Manmasi said:
Battersea/Clapham is a good illustration of the local poor having been pushed onto large-scale social housing while all the old streets are owner-occupied by incomers. The divide is a little more obvious because the housing estates are in larger clusters especially to the north, where the Battersea park rd and Wandsworth road estates all but converge. I'm not surprised street crime is worse either, parts of the area are a maze, and I speak as someone who used to hang around in the locale as a kid.
Perhaps the OP is one of those guileless gentrifiers who moves to an "edgy" area and then expects everything to be changed to their whim?
ethnicprayer
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timothysutton1
Brixton resident.
Blagsta said:
It seems to be that the drugs problem has been pushed INTO Brixton. It might be convenient for the authorities to concentrate it in one area but it is not fair on local residents. The problem should be dispersed throughout the borough.
timothysutton1
Brixton resident.
Blagsta said:
Call me paranoid, but perhaps these issues are not being addressed in Brixton in order to preserve the status quo and keep the drugs problem where it is?
ViolentPanda
Hardly getting over it.
timothysutton1 said:
I wouldn't say "pushed into Brixton" so much as "progressively pushed southward".
Back when I used to use recreational drugs in the late 1970s and early 1980s most of the dealers for stuff I used (weed, hash, opium latex) were found in Stockwell/the northern end of Brixton rd, and the LJ part of CHL.
If that concentrating movement is at all accurate we have to ask ourselves "why has it stopped in that area?".
The problem for the police, at least in part, may be the labyrinthine nature of the roads in the area, compared to the (relatively) more open areas north of town hall, which pushes the dealing into the "nooks and crannies" rather than into places that can be easily covertly or overtly monitored.
Add to that the problem (for the police and for the public) of the police appearing to "police" the area with reference to fulfilling their annual quota of boxes ticked on their area performance review, rather than policing according to public need, and we have what seems to be a diificult problem on our hands, but one that isn't helped by some posters churning out tired Littlejohnesque rhetoric.
ViolentPanda
Hardly getting over it.
goldman said:
Some of us have lived here most of our lives in fairly rancid social housing where problems the like of which you're experiencing have been a matter of everyday fact for decades.
Now that doesn't mean that the problems either of us suffer are "okay", or that we should have to put up with them, nor does it mean that your expectations of the police to actual "police" such problems are unrealistic, but it does mean that you should bear in mind that your's isn't the only household that experiences this or simlar problems, and that (at least IME) the police tend to move the drugs (if not the prostitution) problem along once it reaches what they consider a "critical mass" (i.e. when enough residents make a fuss to put some desk-jockey's promotion on the line).
