Driving Standards

Discussion in 'transport' started by hash tag, Mar 11, 2014.

  1. Poi E

    Poi E Pessimism: a valuable protection against quackery.

    Bloody lethal when people park the wrong way at night and blind you coming out of their spots.
  2. SpookyFrank

    SpookyFrank We kill the flame

    Coppers 'solving' the problem of one stolen car by getting into some damn fool chase leading to the destruction of the stolen vehicle plus serious damage to two other cars, part of the road, a wall and someone's house.

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  3. sleaterkinney

    sleaterkinney Well-Known Member

    A van driver pulled a triathlete from her bike, leaving her with a bone fracture in the pelvic region and cuts and bruises to her lower back and head - six-month suspended sentence.

    Road rage man pulled triathlete off bike
  4. Bahnhof Strasse

    Bahnhof Strasse Free the Sepsis Six!

  5. T & P

    T & P |-o-| (-o-) |-o-|

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  6. Bahnhof Strasse

    Bahnhof Strasse Free the Sepsis Six!

    GTA come to life :cool:
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  7. Dogsauce

    Dogsauce Lord of the Dance Settee

    That's a work of art. They should leave it there and fix the hole in the wall around it.
  8. hash tag

    hash tag never too old

  9. Teaboy

    Teaboy It definitely looks brighter over there..

    Yes its like that guy who used to have a shark in his roof in Oxford.


    Edit: It turns out its still there. :cool:

    The Headington Shark - Wikipedia
  10. BigTom

    BigTom Well-Known Member

  11. existentialist

    existentialist THr3e ᵈAʸs tᵒ FʳᵉeᵈOᵐ

    It's probably very prejudiced of me, but every time I see a quote from a representative of "Brake" in an article like this, it immediately makes me suspicious. I get the impression that, if they could, they'd bring back the Man With The Red Flag.

    I have no idea why someone can rack up 62 points and still be driving, but that must have involved a lot of court appearances and a lot of judges/magistrates, so it's obviously not going to be one of those "give the judge a funny salute and walk out scot free" situations. And it's probably quite appropriate that some degree of confidentiality is necessary, even in such an extreme case.

    I've heard stories of people who got over 12 points but managed to keep their licences because a combination of the importance of their job/role and the absence of any alternatives meant that the judge had, at their own discretion, allowed them to keep on driving, but that article says that Greater London is over-represented amongst 12+point drivers, which does seem odd, given that Greater London has a public transport system that you'd think would obviate the absolute need for someone to drive.

    *shrug* I reckon there's a lot more to this story than we can ever know.
  12. BigTom

    BigTom Well-Known Member

    Fuckem. If you're a shit enough driver to rack up 12 points you should not be on the road. No alternatives? Going to fuck up your life if you can't drive? You shouldn't have driven like a cunt then should you.
    I think judges have used that discretion far too often and they should not be allowed to use it anymore.
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  13. existentialist

    existentialist THr3e ᵈAʸs tᵒ FʳᵉeᵈOᵐ

    It's my bleeding heart liberal tendencies coming out again... :(
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  14. sleaterkinney

    sleaterkinney Well-Known Member

  15. a_chap

    a_chap When the world came apart, where were you?

    "he braked before hitting a cyclist who appeared in front of him"

    So, the guy on the bike just "appeared" in front of him. FFS. :mad:
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  16. dervish

    dervish if you flibble when you wibble, don't wobble

    Appeared in front of him in hi vis, noticed by the person behind him, but "just appeared". Wanker.
  17. mauvais

    mauvais change has become unavoidable

    Yes, Brake are like this. Whereas the IAM and the like believe in a sort of technocratic driver improvement, Brake believe that drivers need to be controlled through regulation & authority. Both are to some extent folly in their own ways. I think Brake comes from a good place, and IIRC has its roots in tragedy, but ends up being factually clueless. The media love them because their message is simpler than the complexities of becoming a better driver.
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  18. mojo pixy

    mojo pixy unquantifiable hazards

    ''...Bridges had told the jury he made proper checks after he exited the M48 from the junction one slip road at Aust. But he failed to see Mr Brown, who was wearing a high visibility jacket and cycle helmet, and knocked him off his bike on the roundabout.''

    FWIW I think he was fibbing.
  19. Teaboy

    Teaboy It definitely looks brighter over there..

    It's just the inconsistency of it all. If you get caught for drink driving the only discretion the magistrate has is how much longer than 12 months the ban should last. Its a minimum of 12 months regardless of the justification / sob story - they have no choice. Yet here we have someone with a clear total disregard for the law and road safety but is allowed to carry on driving. It basically says that the laws are around speeding are flexible and its not that big a deal to be caught.

    In a roundabout way I am a professional driver in that I spend a lot of time on the road visiting clients. I do a lot of miles but not compared to some people in my company who can easily do 5k-6k per month, yet none of us collect speeding tickets like stamps. Given how few traffic cops there are and how many cameras are actually switched on at any time its actually quite unusual to get caught, so to have accrued 60 odd points is quite something in itself before you consider he is allowed to keep driving.
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  20. mauvais

    mauvais change has become unavoidable

    It's possible - there are various factors through which you can look and not see things, such as saccades, or a combination of A-pillar and approach angle. I have no idea if any of those apply in this case.
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  21. Teaboy

    Teaboy It definitely looks brighter over there..

    Its hard to prove otherwise though.
  22. cupid_stunt

    cupid_stunt Dyslexic King Cnut the Great.

    Totally agreed, I've been driving for almost 40 years & have never picked-up any points, I can understand someone picking-up a few now & again, but over 12 is simply not on.
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  23. Bahnhof Strasse

    Bahnhof Strasse Free the Sepsis Six!

    There's far worse...Boy, 15, detained for car crash deaths

    Stolen car doing 88 mph in a 20 mph zone, kills three children and two adults = four years prison. He's only 15 himself, but fuck sake, come on.
  24. Bahnhof Strasse

    Bahnhof Strasse Free the Sepsis Six!

    Had he made PROPER checks he would have seen the cyclist. If he checked at all it was a cursory check, (which we all make from time to time), and was not proper enough to see the cyclist.
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  25. Crispy

    Crispy The following psytrance is baṉned: All

    My sister-in-law lived in that house for a while.
  26. mauvais

    mauvais change has become unavoidable

    Yes, it's all avoidable. Worth understanding some of the potential pitfalls though.
  27. Bahnhof Strasse

    Bahnhof Strasse Free the Sepsis Six!

    I love cars and driving, but am getting increasing pissed off at the language that surrounds driving; "The car was doing 80mph", "The motorbike appeared from nowhere" and so on. It's language designed to remove the blame and is used everywhere when some fucker kills someone cos they were driving wantonly.
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  28. BigTom

    BigTom Well-Known Member

    Yep, like this on twitter from the fucking police:

    ("#JAILED Kade Scrivens is going to prison after his car collided with a cyclist who sadly died from his injuries.")

    Cos it was his car that collided, not him as a driver. Presumably his car drove off afterwards as well, not him.
    (Man jailed after crashing into cyclist and leaving him to die is the story if anyone wants to read it. He got 7.5years in prison for this hit and run which is not a bad sentence compared to a lot of driving convictions. The express and star has done a petition about short sentences following this case and another similar one, but for me these are not even bad sentences, not like the one posted just above)
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  29. SpookyFrank

    SpookyFrank We kill the flame

    A phenomenon I've noticed cropping up more often is delivery/trade vans with reversing sirens, or rather speakers that emit horrible, nerve-shredding little bursts of static noise. Obviously these thingies or versions of them have been fitted on HGV's for ages now, but I don't have a problem with that because for one thing reversing HGV's must be very difficult and potentially danerous and for another they're not usually parking up in residential areas.

    Vans though, well it is the driver's responsibility to reverse without hitting anyone not the general public's responsibility to get out of the way. Those with hearing problems may not hear the siren, those with mobility problems may not be able to evade the reversing vehicle in time when they do. At best the siren will do no good to anyone, at worst it will make drivers less likely to pay attention to where they're going.

    I drive a van. It has no reversing siren. So far I've killed zero people while reversing, and no bloody awful racket was required to achieve this.
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  30. Teaboy

    Teaboy It definitely looks brighter over there..

    If you drive van you'll know that its got no rear view mirror just wing mirrors, as such there is a large blind spot directly behind it which a car doesn't have. Obviously if any driver uses the alarm instead of looking than they are dick but fundamentally I don't think its a bad idea. Its like wearing hi-viz, most of the time its pointless but if it saves just one life or one serious injury etc.......
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