Driving Standards

Discussion in 'transport' started by hash tag, Mar 11, 2014.

  1. not-bono-ever

    not-bono-ever Not what they want but what is good for them

    drive by wire problem ? not unheard of
  2. Dogsauce

    Dogsauce Lord of the Dance Settee

    Were they parked in a bus lane and the driver went a bit postal?
  3. weltweit

    weltweit Well-Known Member

    Thought I would find a driving thread for this. What do you think?

    Would 2/3 rubbing alcohol 1/3 water be corrosive?
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  4. not-bono-ever

    not-bono-ever Not what they want but what is good for them

  5. not-bono-ever

    not-bono-ever Not what they want but what is good for them

  6. BigTom

    BigTom Well-Known Member

    one for the lolz here. Could be an amusing twitter feed to follow as well.

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  7. Bahnhof Strasse

    Bahnhof Strasse Free the Sepsis Six!

    Belgians really are terrible drivers.
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  8. hash tag

    hash tag Pedicabo omnes

  9. hash tag

    hash tag Pedicabo omnes

    Bearing in mind it was probably left hand drive. If she were driving my car, Mrs Tag would say she did not see it due to the massive a pillars :D
  10. Poi E

    Poi E Pessimism: a valuable protection against quackery.

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  11. T & P

    T & P |-o-| (-o-) |-o-|

    Nürburgring fuckwittery :D

  12. BigTom

    BigTom Well-Known Member

  13. Teaboy

    Teaboy It definitely looks brighter over there..

    20 mph speed limits are not enforced. A law like this without enforcement is pretty useless.
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  14. mojo pixy

    mojo pixy unquantifiable hazards

    They fucking are in Bristol. I've had two notices this year alone.

    EtA, I will now be pissing all and sundry off immensely as I creep about everywhere at 21mph. Anyone who beeps, overtakes, flashes or revs themselves into my boot can fuck off and take the 3 points with them :mad:
    Last edited: Nov 23, 2017
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  15. Bahnhof Strasse

    Bahnhof Strasse Free the Sepsis Six!

    46% of cars going over 70 on a motorway, I 'd have thought it would be more than that, police cars normally cruise along at 75-80 and don't bat an eyelid if cars creep past them.
  16. kebabking

    kebabking Unfettered ambition

    i only drive under 70 on the motorway in two circumstances - when i'm getting on it, and when i'm getting off it.
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  17. Spymaster

    Spymaster Trigger

    The 20 limits are the most sensible, imo. You can generally see why it’s a 20. Quite often 30 limits look too slow for the environment; like some planners just got lazy and slapped a 30 limit on the road without much thought so they could go home early on a Friday evening. The ones that look silly are the most likely to be ignored.
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  18. Spymaster

    Spymaster Trigger

    80mph is my motorway cruising speed in fair weather. Drive at 70 and you’re being constantly passed.
  19. Bahnhof Strasse

    Bahnhof Strasse Free the Sepsis Six!

    This one near me is a 30 that every single vehicle ignores:


    Further back it goes past houses, but once in the open it should go up to at least 40, but just stays at 30.
  20. SpookyFrank

    SpookyFrank Ridin' a Stutz Bearcat, Jim

    My car tops out at 70mph so i never even have to look at my speedo on the motorway :cool:
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  21. hash tag

    hash tag Pedicabo omnes

  22. a_chap

    a_chap When the world came apart, where were you?

    I fucking hate it when people break the speed limit on motorways.

    Makes me feel very unsafe on my bicycle :mad:
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  23. mauvais

    mauvais change has become unavoidable

    There was coolant spillage (slippy) on the track on an unsighted bend, so all bets were off. The internet is divided as to whether blokey in the video is a bellend for unbelting and getting out on a live track in the middle of a high speed accident, or wise for trying to warn others and as it turns out protect himself.
  24. mauvais

    mauvais change has become unavoidable

    The proper data:

    Vehicle speed compliance (SPE01) - GOV.UK

    44% of car drivers doing 25+ in a 20, 15% doing 30+. Average speed, 25, compared to 31 in a 30. That's not actually that bad, I think.

    It suggests they work, just not to the full extent. Or, it might be that 20s are implemented where speeds are already lower. Who knows - data!
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  25. T & P

    T & P |-o-| (-o-) |-o-|

    Mmm... his car was certainly hit by at least one oncoming vehicle, but there is no doubt in my mind that a number of the other collisions seen in the video would have still happened if his car hadn't been there. He was parked as far to the right as the barriers allowed, and other cars were crashed/ parked in the middle and to the left of the road, blocking far a wider proportion of the track.

    TBH I now feel my earlier 'fuckwittery' description of events was unfair on the drivers. You're there to race, not to drive carefully and defensively as you would on public roads. I guess the crash happened at a particularly unfortunate spot. F1 circuits have blokes scattered along the track ready to wave flags for such eventualities, because they know how difficult it'd be for drivers to spot accidents and brake in time on their own accord. Perhaps there is a valid claim to suggest the owners of Nurburgring should have stewards posted along the track.
  26. T & P

    T & P |-o-| (-o-) |-o-|

    20 mph limits, certainly when imposed across borough-wide areas, can be completely absurd, and it should come as no surprise to anyone that the overwhelming majority of drivers break the 20 mph limit regularly (if not always, and depending on the location and conditions). This is not a sign of widespread recklessness by psychotic, selfish drivers, but a reflection of the fact that sometimes the law gets something completely wrong, and that individuals are perfectly capable of ignoring such laws selectively and quite safely.
  27. dervish

    dervish if you flibble when you wibble, don't wobble

    Personally I think he did the exact right thing, get himself to safety and then if safe try to warn other drivers. If he'd stayed in the car he would definitely been in more danger and unable to help anyone else.
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  28. Winot

    Winot I wholeheartedley agree with your viewpoint

    “I’m a better judge of what’s a safe speed than the so-called experts”. The defence of speeding drivers everywhere.
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  29. mauvais

    mauvais change has become unavoidable

    There's a story about it here: https://jalopnik.com/watch-a-harrowing-massive-pileup-unfold-at-nurburgring-1820397933

    A few things: it is a public road. It certainly has a lot in common with a racetrack. However there are strict rules, and both racing and time-setting attempts are forbidden on public days. There are also marshals/flaggers, I think, but there weren't any at that point.

    The concern is about the time between unbuckling and being over the armco, during which he's exposed to more danger than sitting in the car.
  30. T & P

    T & P |-o-| (-o-) |-o-|

    There is not such thing as a safe speed, other than 0 mph. Some speeds are safer than others of course, and that is all part of the compromise between safety and practicality that all of us, whether we want to admit it or not, are prepared to accept, unless one is campaigining for a total ban on motor vehicles on urban areas, which is the only truly safe option.

    Once we are prepared to accept there has to be a reasonable and adequate compromise between safety and practicality, then we can discuss the issue of what the most adequate speed might be for a given area or road according to conditions and and physical characteristics. It is plainly obvious that 20 mph is an ludicrously slow and completely inappropriate and unfit for purpose speed limit for *certain* roads. That is why blanket 20 mph limits across entire neighbourhoods regardless of which roads or areas are affected are ill-thought bullshit, and why practically 100% of drivers including police patrols ignore such limits on certain roads where the conditions allow for higher speeds without a serious compromise on safety.

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