Driving Standards

Discussion in 'transport' started by hash tag, Mar 11, 2014.

  1. hash tag

    hash tag never too old

    Is it me or are driving standards getting worse, by the minute?
    Sunday, with my other half driving, there was some truly dreadful stuff going on.
    Going to work this morning there was an idiot in a merc who turned right out of Trinity Road into Battersea Rise. At this junction there are FOUR lanes all exiciting Battersea Rise!

    Coming home, some dumbo ignored/missed the island and slip road to turn left from Armoury Way into Smugglers Way and went straight through a straight ahead only sign to then turn left into Smugglers Way.

    Both the above manouvres were illeagal and dangereous. They are out to get me, what is the matter with them?
  2. Dr_Herbz

    Dr_Herbz Devil's Advocate Banned

    Maybe ask your other half to get a few refresher lessons?
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  3. DaRealSpoon

    DaRealSpoon Do not try and bend the spoon...

    I had an old lady drive head long into me on saturday whilst I was stationary... Blamed it on new shoes :D :(
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  4. Teaboy

    Teaboy It definitely looks brighter over there..

    I have one word for you. London.
  5. hash tag

    hash tag never too old

    I know London driving is bad, but Sunday we were driving around deepest darkest Kent. My other arf who is a very careful and considerate driver never swears, that is until getting behind the steering wheel!
  6. dervish

    dervish if you flibble when you wibble, don't wobble

    I strongly believe that every 10 years everyone with a license should be forced to drive for an hour with a driving instructor to renew their license, if after the hour the driving instructor doesn't think the driver is safe they can advise DVLA to request a full test before the license is renewed.

    Anyone with over 6 points should need to do this every 5 years.
  7. hash tag

    hash tag never too old

    Harsh, but there is some sense in that.
    What about the full driving test being reviewed after 6 months. It is said we don't learn until after we pass our test, and this would check what bad habits we are slipping into.
    Though I really believe that the standard of driving is worse now than I ever previously remember.
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  8. Part 2

    Part 2 bizarre wanking accident

    On the way to work I've noticed a few junctions where cars go through as the lights change in full knowledge that they'll then be blocking the road. It's a fairly new development, last 6 months or so.
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  9. weltweit

    weltweit Well-Known Member

    Overtaking someone on a dual carriageway last week, at the very last moment they pulled out directly in front of me. There was no way they had checked their mirrors. A moment later we would have collided. I was bemused, how long they will survive driving like that is anyone's guess.
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  10. sim667

    sim667 Licking windows on the 303 bus.

    I reckon driving standards are getting shitter by the minute....... I think its a mix of cars getting easier to drive, thus drivers are getting lazier, and more people on foreign licenses thus driving to the standards of abroad.....
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  11. Bahnhof Strasse

    Bahnhof Strasse In the area

    Driving standards are getting worse, reflecting general standards; people stopping in a doorway to hold a conversation, check their phone etc. and so on. It's me-me-me all the way these days.

    Either that or I'm getting old :hmm:
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  12. DownwardDog

    DownwardDog Riding a Brompton with a power meter.

    This wouldn't do anything as the issue is not whether people can drive safely it's that for most of the time they don't give a shit. They'd just concentrate more and generally drive safely on their decadal renewal test then go back to driving normally once they'd passed.
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  13. dervish

    dervish if you flibble when you wibble, don't wobble

    Drivers that don't give a shit are exactly the sort of arrogant dickheads that will be most likely to be caught out by this sort of scheme. I think that the driving instructor will have the experience to tell if they are actually driving safely or not.
  14. SikhWarrioR

    SikhWarrioR And the Worms ate into his brain

    The trouble with that sort of driver is that unfortunately they will come off better than the person they hit especially if its a motorcyclist, pedestrian or bicyclist
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  15. Fuchs66

    Fuchs66 Ring a ding

    Yeah all those Johnny Foreigners coming over to the UK causing accidents that should have been caused by British fuckwit drivers!

    Bit of a sweeping statement there sim667, I've seen poor driving in most countries but a lot of countries I've been to, especially on mainland Europe tend to have a higher general standard of driving when compared with the UK (Holland being an exception).
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  16. sim667

    sim667 Licking windows on the 303 bus.

    I think you're putting words in my mouth a little there, and I knew someone would try and do that, as is Urbans calling.The driving test is much harder here than many other places in the the world, as is the requirement to keep vehicles in a good working condition. As one of the most multicultural countries in the world, with both vehicles and drivers from all over the world crammed onto some of the busiest roads around, and with a vast majority of foreign vehicles seated on the other side, of course it goes without saying that there will be accidents. At no point am I suggesting that all accidents are the fault of foreign drivers, but at the same time, with an influx of vehicles from abroad its simply impossible to enforce driving and vehicle standards on incoming drivers and vehicles.

    I for one would rather live abroad than live in a Britain that didn't welcome immigrants at all, but then Im not naive enough to ignore the fact that without an element of standardisation across all driving and vehicles that the accident rate will incrase.

    For the last 6 years I've driven an 80 mile round commute daily, the increase in lorries in that time, is hugely noticeable, and the increase in foreign lorries is very noticeable too. Having had my last car written off by a Czech lorry driver who accepted fault at the side of the road, I've obviously been more wary of left hand drive HGV's, and when you're specifically keeping an eye on their movements, you also start noticing that many of them lack the extra wing mirrors left hand drive HGV's are required to have in the UK, and how many of them have mismatched number plates between cab and trailer. I can guarantee that at least twice a month I see a car trashed by a left hand drive lorry thats pulled across to the next lane right and hasn't seen a car in their blind spot, of course many drivers are naive to that position being a blind spot to a left hand drive HGV where as it wouldn't be to a right hand drive HGV.

    As for the poorer quality of driving abroad, I've spent masses of time in spain and france, and my spanish freinds and french relatives would admit that standards of driving there are poorer than the UK. Having visited a number of places across eastern europe, i would feel safe saying that certainly poland the driving is awful, but the other countries its certainly not as a. busy, b. controlled on the road as the UK.

    Whilst not solely to blame, considering the changing ethic of british society to a "me me me" opinion which is clearly obvious by current issues surrounding predominantly british drivers and cyclists, and the ever obvious BMW drivers and Audi drivers as favoured by the remnants of what was the middle management culture, I do feel that it is rather naive to not accept that the changing cultural landscape in the UK plays no part in practicalities like the quality of driving etc is pretty naive, and to take the default view that anyone who dares suggest that must be making a racist comment, is frankly pathetic.

    One thing that has always surprised me whilst driving round the M25 is the amount of military vehicles that seem to be caugh up in really nasty accidents. I passed one about a month ago where a military HGV had driven into the back of the one in front and totally pulverised the cab. I hate to think what the state of the driver was. But then military policy seems to dictate the plaster paperwork all over the windows obscuring the view etc.
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  17. gentlegreen

    gentlegreen Radicalised hand-wringing liberal ultra-remainer.

    What gets me is that this simply isn't rocket science.
    I can generally spot cyclists who've never driven, but observation tells me that even the modern two part driving test doesn't count for much.

    I swear I learned most of what I needed from the top deck of a bus since I grew up in a family without even a bicycle between us.
    I passed car and motorcycle tests with no lessons or very much poring over of the highway code.

    It's a good thing most people don't operate dangerous machinery in factories any more - but at least most of industry takes health and safety seriously these days.
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  18. sim667

    sim667 Licking windows on the 303 bus.

    I've always said car drivers should be forced to ride a 125 motorbike for two years before being allowed to take a car driving test.
  19. TopCat

    TopCat Gone away, no forwarding address

    Drivers don't admit to being distracted or generally shite. But many obviously are.
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  20. gentlegreen

    gentlegreen Radicalised hand-wringing liberal ultra-remainer.

    That's exactly what I did - 7 years on motorcycles then I bought a Reliant 3 wheeler and drove it round the block to work out the gears were.

    Still learning stuff after 36 years ... my basic principle is see and be seen and make your intentions clear - and acknowledge your own limitations.

    Above all, consider others.
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  21. sim667

    sim667 Licking windows on the 303 bus.

    Its the psychological thing of being in a metal box I reckon.

    Mine are: Don't be a cunt, assume nothing.

    Although I'll admit I can be a bit pushy in traffic jams etc, but its so easy to get frustrated when what should be a 30 min drive takes nearer 90 mins.
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  22. alpha slappa

    alpha slappa lion bar-esque member Banned

    You would have thought with driver training being much stricter than it once was aand having to sit theory tests etc. that driving would have got better. My father admitted the other day to knowing nothing about the highway code:facepalm:
  23. sim667

    sim667 Licking windows on the 303 bus.

    Has it got stricter though?

    The only changes I know of since I did the test in 2001 is hazard perception (i.e. they make sure you're not blind) & where do you put washer fluid/oil etc? The second certainly every driver should know.

    Cars have got easier to drive though, almost all cars have power steering, ABS, ESP, and yadda yadda.
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  24. gentlegreen

    gentlegreen Radicalised hand-wringing liberal ultra-remainer.

    It's the tailgating that pisses me off on a daily basis.
    I never realised quite how bad it was until I fitted a camera on the rear of my bike.
    And it's every kind of driver - male, female, young, old.

    We may be only doing 15MPH, but you shouldn't be that close to a car - let alone a bicycle.
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  25. Wilson

    Wilson most misunderstood

    Some woman had a road rage attack on me earlier today, she shouted, gesticulated, put her car into gear and drove straight at me, swerving towards me as she got near, dangerous as fuck it was. I don't think any kind of test is going to stop someone like that.
  26. TopCat

    TopCat Gone away, no forwarding address

    Keep the safety gap, be able to stop in the distance you can see to be clear.
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  27. sim667

    sim667 Licking windows on the 303 bus.

    Where you in a car/on a bike? Walking?
  28. Wilson

    Wilson most misunderstood

    Crossing the road on foot at a pelican crossing
  29. hash tag

    hash tag never too old

    I reckon as cars get bigger and safer so the driving gets more careless. Have you seen all the 4x4's that drive around town by people that can't drive, are on mobile phones texting Etc. Mostly people are not drivers, they are just people who drive big vehicles intent on getting from A to B
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  30. gentlegreen

    gentlegreen Radicalised hand-wringing liberal ultra-remainer.

    On the way home this evening, this driver overtook me on a blind bend into the path of a coach.
    I always worry when I see people peering over their dashboard.


    Hopefully my loud horn and gesticulation may have given the driver and the passenger a clue that they did something wrong.

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