Drink driving

[tarannau]

You do do you tarannau? Well thanks for letting me know, i'll rearrange my understanding of myself accordingly.

What is it about some people, yourself for example, who feel the compulsion to pronounce negative judgments about other people who they know nothing about? You get a kick out of it? Either way, it's your loss, not mine.

Even judged purely on the basis of your comments on this thread - conspiracockery aside - you're coming across like self-centred delusional knob, unwilling to countenance the idea that you're putting yourself, and more importantly others, at risk through your drink driving. That goes beyond a joke in my book - your misguided bibble about conspiracies is one thing, but this self-aggrandising 'I know what I'm doing with a car' bollocks is dangerous and the measure of a downrught arsehole.

I note that you didn't deal with the stats in my post, nor make any comment about the statistically undeniable connection between drunk driving and road fatalities.

And frankly, anyone who comes up with such absolute pish as

Alcohol for a start deadens your consciouness, while dope heightens it.

in relation to driving (sic) deserves every bit of criticism anyone can muster. I like my weed as much as the next man, but that's just delusional stupidity of the highest level.

A stoned, drunk driver and proud of it? Do you expect a medal or something. You're a fucking idiot, and an unpleasant, dangerous fantasist at that.

 

[fela fan]

A stoned, drunk driver and proud of it? Do you expect a medal or something. You're a fucking idiot, and an unpleasant, dangerous fantasist at that.

Still on your throne eh mate?

I didn't deal with your comment about the stats due to your inability to read properly before pronouncing your judgments. I posted up a link from the british government about figures for 2005, which you missed. Go back and find it.

You really ought to read properly instead of being blinded by your rush to judge. I've not once said on this thread that i've been drunk and driven...

And nor have i said i'm proud about anything. I've talked about the enjoyment of driving in the sticks with a spliff and music. It's a great way to pass a wee bit of life.

 

[tarannau]

Yes Fela, but you're fundmentally misreading those stats. Drink drivers still cause a disproportionately much higher rate of accidents and fatalities, given that far fewer drivers will have alcohol in their bloodstream than not. Equally the speeding group and drinkers 'segment' are not exclusive in that study.

Basic statistical stuff Fela. And stop fooling yourself that you're fine and dandy to drive after '5 pints and a double' - that's drunk driving in any sensible person's book. See what I mean about delusional...

 

[Lock&Light]

What the fuck are you on about institutionalised racism?

The plonker hardly ever goes on about anything else.

 

[GarfieldLeChat]

you make this an either or situation though dontcha...

well if people aren't hammer behind the wheel then they are speeding so they are just as bad.

Thing is driving a car well, effectively and efficently is all about the observeration if this isn't there if you don't think ahead and calculate and recaulculate constantly then you are likely to have a major accident in very short shrift. Observation is around i'd say 80% to 90% of driving the remaining being taken up with minor other things.

Speeding is a natrual occurence in so far as you are likely to spend more time looking and observing (out the windscreen out the mirrors behind you to the sides, what's going on a few 100 meters ahead look at far ahead as possible etc etc) then looking at the speedo it's possible to creep over or fall slightly under whislt doing this. particularlly if you are keeping pace with traffic which might well all be flowing comfortably at just over or in some places considerably over the speed limit.

Any good driver will be able to gauge their speed to with in 5 mph or so of the actual posted speed on the road (bearing in mind that 30 on the speedo of most cars is 26 in reality). however all of this becomes more difficult with distractions and where as driving with a cold might be as dangerous (or driving off before your windscreen has fully demisted or when tired. most of those instances it might be hard to control the circumstances which lead to those events i have yet in my time on this planet found a circumstance where none for me thanks i'm driving was ever ever not applicable.

you cannot state and indeed haven't even attempted to justify how driving with alchol in your system will increase your observation skill or your natural abilities to drive one iota. in which case, and becuase it's not possible for you to do so we myust assume that it will make your abilty worse... reducing the abilty to observe alone menas it will be worse.

no one sane would ever knowingly do this, and drive or attempt to justify and defend such and untennable position.

but then again, you are fela fan ... I have a feeling we are going to see you attempt to... again.

 

[GarfieldLeChat]

The plonker hardly ever goes on about anything else.

more persoanl attacks from lumpy here...

care to add to the debate lumpy or again is it all about attention seeking and toys ot of prams when you don't get it...

come one lumpy engauge...

 

[Lock&Light]

is called basic science love...

Is that the opposite of basic science hate?

 

[Lock&Light]

So, fela fan. Do you normally drive the wrong way up one way streets and drive at 25% over the speed limit? Or is that only when you've been drinking?

I've done both frequently, without having been drinking.

 

[Lock&Light]

Personally I think you are a liar as well as an idiot.

TBF, that's what most people think about you, Toby.

 

[girasol]

Current limits are fine. BUT, if I was a driver, there's no way I would allow myself even 'just the one' as I know my willpower is terrible and I know I would never be able to restrict myself to 'just the one'.

You see, I have no problem doing this, I can quite easily have one alcoholic drink, then switch to soft drinks for the rest of the night. Once you have childre n taking public transport late at night isn't a good proposition so I'm often going to parties/gatherings where I'll have one alcoholic drink at the start of the proceedings and spend the next 3 hours (or however long it takes) having soft drinks.

 

[fela fan]

The plonker hardly ever goes on about anything else.

Steady on mate, you wouldn't be agreeing with me there would you?! I guess that's your way of saying happy christmas.

Same to you.

 

[Lock&Light]

more persoanl attacks from lumpy here...

Personal attacks are your speciality, plonker.

 

[fela fan]

but then again, you are fela fan ... I have a feeling we are going to see you attempt to... again.

Hey guess what mate, you've said nothing there i disagree with. But you were just too quick to jump in with your judgmental oar earlier on. I've never claimed my ability to drive increases with a few drinks inside me. That would be stupid.

I've been on this thread to try and counter some of the hysteria that pops up on this topic.

 

[Lock&Light]

Steady on mate, you wouldn't be agreeing with me there would you?! I guess that's your way of saying happy christmas.

Same to you.

I have agreed with you before, fela, on certain things. Other things, perhaps not.

I'll not be wishing anyone a Merry Christmas until Christmas comes.

 

[fela fan]

I've done both frequently, without having been drinking.

But cesare turned my one time going the wrong way down a one-way street which was approximately 50 metres long (yes, really, 50 metres; don't ask me the reason for this stupidity) into me 'normally' driving along one-way streets. Such are the ways of those whose emotions get the better of them in debates.

 

[fela fan]

I have agreed with you before, fela, on certain things. Other things, perhaps not.

I'll not be wishing anyone a Merry Christmas until Christmas comes.

I know that mate, but it's friday night for me and i'm in a frivolous mood.

It just so happens that i'll soon be off for my holiday into a country where christmas occurs, so i thought i'd get my wish in early. I'll not be around here nearer the time.

 

[cesare]

But cesare turned my one time going the wrong way down a one-way street which was approximately 50 metres long (yes, really, 50 metres; don't ask me the reason for this stupidity) into me 'normally' driving along one-way streets. Such are the ways of those whose emotions get the better of them in debates.

The police thought it worth breathalysing you. As they have on three other occasions that you've mentioned.

 

[fela fan]

The police thought it worth breathalysing you. As they have on three other occasions that you've mentioned.

And just think of the time they wasted on me when they could have been catching the real drink-drivers eh...

 

[cesare]

And just think of the time they wasted on me when they could have been catching the real drink-drivers eh...

You were a drink-driver. You just happened to be able to do it legally.

 

[fela fan]

You were a drink-driver. You just happened to be able to do it legally.

The worst time i had in a car was when i had to drive home and i was dog-tired, yet sober. It was absolutely frightening.

This subject is just a wee bit more complex than many give it credit for. I've been here honestly posting up my opinions and experiences. Take it as you wish mate.

 

[Lock&Light]

You were a drink-driver. You just happened to be able to do it legally.

As there is always an amount of alcohol in any-one's blood, all drivers are drink-drivers. Luckily it IS legal.

 

[GarfieldLeChat]

Hey guess what mate, you've said nothing there i disagree with. But you were just too quick to jump in with your judgmental oar earlier on. I've never claimed my ability to drive increases with a few drinks inside me. That would be stupid.

I've been on this thread to try and counter some of the hysteria that pops up on this topic.

you need to stop saying that it's not hysteria.

hysteria is an illogical expression of fear or manifestation of fear which is baseless or unfounded.

this isn't hystteria the basis is solid drinking then driving will impare your ability to drive properly well or with all your mental factulites in tact.

this is likely to cause more accidents as a result.

It has been proven to a significant factor in many many accidents prior to the drink driving limits. which is why the legislation was introduced. (and bear in mind this was at a period of less nanny state goverement interference that these laws were introduced).

You don't disagree with anything i've said nor with my points that decreasing ones observation skills is a detriment to driving ability. equally you conceed that your own skill would be impared by drinking all be it in a round about manner.

now to the last part of your claim that 5 pints and a shot wouldn't put you over the limit. and that becuase you passed a breatherliser that this means you are fit to drive.

It's a falacious argument as shown in the table i have previously posted your BAC would have been considerably elevated to the level of allowing you to make mistakes. signficant mistakes you've also previously conceed that you agree that observation is key to good driving. so accepting your impaired abilities and your confirmation of the observation aspect we can say you were not in full controll of the vechiel and indeed that would suggest that contry yto your claim of being capable to drive you only assumed this and attempted it.

beign breathised isn't a defacto your safe to drive green light i means you haven't commited and offence which is arrestable. that's all...

 

[Lock&Light]

you need to stop saying that it's not hysteria.

hysteria is an illogical expression of fear or manifestation of fear which is baseless or unfounded.

this isn't hystteria the basis is solid drinking then driving will impare your ability to drive properly well or with all your mental factulites in tact.

this is likely to cause more accidents as a result.

It has been proven to a significant factor in many many accidents prior to the drink driving limits. which is why the legislation was introduced. (and bear in mind this was at a period of less nanny state goverement interference that these laws were introduced).

You don't disagree with anything i've said nor with my points that decreasing ones observation skills is a detriment to driving ability. equally you conceed that your own skill would be impared by drinking all be it in a round about manner.

now to the last part of your claim that 5 pints and a shot wouldn't put you over the limit. and that becuase you passed a breatherliser that this means you are fit to drive.

It's a falacious argument as shown in the table i have previously posted your BAC would have been considerably elevated to the level of allowing you to make mistakes. signficant mistakes you've also previously conceed that you agree that observation is key to good driving. so accepting your impaired abilities and your confirmation of the observation aspect we can say you were not in full controll of the vechiel and indeed that would suggest that contry yto your claim of being capable to drive you only assumed this and attempted it.

beign breathised isn't a defacto your safe to drive green light i means you haven't commited and offence which is arrestable. that's all...

Defence of hysteria is the last refuge of a plonker.

 

[goldenecitrone]

Defence of hysteria is the last refuge of a plonker.

Right you are, Del boy.