Down's Syndrome Bomb Carriers

[taffboy gwyrdd]

But you miss my point. My point was that it most likely wasn't a freedom fighter who did this. It most likely was someone from 'our' side who blew up the fig buyers. Because if we do it, then it's OK.

No, nothing is "most likely" I dont think. It is possible that AQ rigged some folk with down syndrome. It is possible AQ bombed without the down syndrome component. It is possible someone else bombed with or without the down syndrome component.

We shouldnt say what is "most likely" just yet. But we certainly shouldnt be running around acting like what the news says must be the truth, especially where Iraq is concerned. Some people take a long time to learn.

 

[skyscraper101]

Fuck these people who set off bombs!!!!

Fucking fuckwits. God, I wish I had something intelligent or noteworthy to add to this thread but I don't so I'm just going to vent some steam. Disabled people? What the fuck? Really. It's just so sad.

 

[jæd]

I use this rule of thumb. If it's a suicide bomber then it's a muslim freedom fighter who is not afraid to die for what he believes in. If it's a remote controlled bomb, then it's probably us/israeli special forces just trying to stir up trouble for their own machiavellian purposes. You may not agree with my rule of thumb but that's because we're different people.

This one smells of special forces, in my opinion. Though I don't necessarily expect people to agree.

That would be because you're using a very simplistic approach to trying to make sense of a very complicated problem. And thats just not going to work...

 

[chainsaw cat]

I use this rule of thumb. If it's a suicide bomber then it's a muslim freedom fighter who is not afraid to die for what he believes in. If it's a remote controlled bomb, then it's probably us/israeli special forces just trying to stir up trouble for their own machiavellian purposes. You may not agree with my rule of thumb but that's because we're different people*.

This one smells of special forces, in my opinion. Though I don't necessarily expect people to agree.

Do you remember IRA proxy bombs, you blithering idiot?







*Yes, I'm sane.

 

[taffboy gwyrdd]

Do you remember IRA proxy bombs, you blithering idiot?/QUOTE]

The whole point of false flags is that we generally dont find about them. Remember those special service brits caught driving around in arab disguises with explosives in the back of their car?

And when it comes to the IRA they were thoroughly infiltrated.

It is a logical MO that when terror group X exists secret services can and perhaps do set up a parallel terror group Y to carry out attrocities that discredit the politics of terror group X. If you dont believe that you could do with reading something called "history".

None of this post is to do with the recent attrocity btw, just a general point.

 

[chainsaw cat]

Do you remember IRA proxy bombs, you blithering idiot?/QUOTE]

The whole point of false flags is that we generally dont find about them. Remember those special service brits caught driving around in arab disguises with explosives in the back of their car?

And when it comes to the IRA they were thoroughly infiltrated.

It is a logical MO that when terror group X exists secret services can and perhaps do set up a parallel terror group Y to carry out attrocities that discredit the politics of terror group X. If you dont believe that you could do with reading something called "history".

None of this post is to do with the recent attrocity btw, just a general point.

Well, obviously.

But that doesn't mean that the cowardly wankers setting off the bombs are exclusively Western spook cowardly wankers.

Those Republican Irish proxies were genuinely home grown and shat us up a fair bit (I speak as a former British soldier in NI - not sure where me little medal went, it's probably in the loft somewhere.)

 

[taffboy gwyrdd]

Well, obviously.

But that doesn't mean that the cowardly wankers setting off the bombs are exclusively Western spook cowardly wankers.

Those Republican Irish proxies were genuinely home grown and shat us up a fair bit (I speak as a former British soldier in NI - not sure where me little medal went, it's probably in the loft somewhere.)

It's a hall of mirrors the whole thing. If ever there were an "inside job" in NI then youd have to be bloody high up in a very specific team to know it. If you were then you'd be dead if you blew the whistle.This isnt meant as some Catch 22 argument whereby one could summise that all terror is false-flag, but it's something to think about.

Anyway, back to the "story":


"Maj. Gen. Abdul Kareem Khalaf, the Interior Ministry spokesman, said he believed the bombings were a coordinated effort by the Sunni insurgent group al-Qaeda in Iraq. Khalaf said witnesses and police reported that the two women were mentally disabled, but U.S. military officials said they knew of no evidence to support such a claim."

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dy...02/01/AR2008020100278.html?hpid=moreheadlines

"One Iraqi official who speaks for Qassim al Moussani, the head of the Baghdad security plan, said the women might have been mentally disabled and forced to wear suicide vests that were detonated remotely.

Other police officials expressed skepticism about the claim, saying it was made too quickly for any investigation to have taken place."

http://www.miamiherald.com/top_stories/story/403349.html

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Thus the "mentally disabled" component might not be true at all. But it doesnt make as good a story does it? The story is the main thing for media and propagandists, not the truth. Again, only a passing knowledge of history is required to know this.

 

[Johnny Canuck3]

There are conflicting reports about this case. As usual a lot of people are keen to believe the first thing they're told. For AQ to sink to such depths isnt too suprising, CIA proteges are generally heinous scum..

So does the CIA somehow change them so that they think in a special way?

Also, how many of the freedom fighters were actually alive, or at least adult, during the time of the Soviet occupation?

 

[Johnny Canuck3]

But you miss my point. My point was that it most likely wasn't a freedom fighter who did this. It most likely was someone from 'our' side who blew up the fig buyers. .

Of course. Freedom fighters wouldn't strap bombs to downs women!

 

[Johnny Canuck3]

Remember how the US Navy was supposed to be training dolphins to carry bombs?

Maybe this is the al Qaida version.

I wonder which is harder to train to carry a bomb to the appropriate target?

 

[chainsaw cat]

It's a hall of mirrors the whole thing. If ever there were an "inside job" in NI then youd have to be bloody high up in a very specific team to know it. If you were then you'd be dead if you blew the whistle.This isnt meant as some Catch 22 argument whereby one could summise that all terror is false-flag, but it's something to think about.



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[taffboy gwyrdd]

"History" - something CC might benefit from looking into more with regards to how imperialist powers sometimes operate.

 

[nino_savatte]

The story seems to come from the Iraqi authorities, not Western sources.

That doesn't mean anything. I don't suppose you've had a chance to look at what's been happening to the Iraqi media since the occupation....have you?

 

[London_Calling]

I'm not going to aceppt this story as it's offered by the Iraqi 'Government'.

There are all kinds of vested interests opposed to that puppet regime and they all have different ambitions. Even if those two bombers were mentally disabled (and the evidence is so shakey) there's nothing at all to suggest Al-Qaeda involvment.

 

[In Bloom]

Remember how the US Navy was supposed to be training dolphins to carry bombs?

Maybe this is the al Qaida version.

I wonder which is harder to train to carry a bomb to the appropriate target?

Funny stuff

 

[dylanredefined]

Attaching remote controls to sucide vests has been around since at least
4/05 .Wether it was to make sure martyr didn't have second thoughts or just
improvement on the proxy bomb.Why use your own bloke when threatning to kill someones family can get you a motivated bomber?.
The idea that its a false flag operation why ?If it was targeting some one specfic might be credible but just random deaths whose benefits from that ?

 

[revol68]

But you miss my point. My point was that it most likely wasn't a freedom fighter who did this. It most likely was someone from 'our' side who blew up the fig buyers. Because if we do it, then it's OK.

oh fuck off, the idea that only the west is cpaable of henous acts of brutality is just an inverted white mans burden, with the 'other' being kept in a permannet childhood never to be held fully responsible for it's barbarous actions. Al Qaeda are utter scum, they have shown their contempt for any sort of rules of engagement, legitimate targetting or anything vaguely approaching a code of war. These are cunts who throw acid in the face of woman ffs.

I mean why the fuck would the CIA go to the bother of this, when Al Qaeda have been bombing the shit out of markets for years?

And yes i'm well aware that Al Qaeda as a single top down entity planning specific actions under a combined command doesn't exist, but cells of fundamental islamists loosely tied into their ideology with a few common connections do and they have been carrying out carnage in Iraq.

 

[chymaera]

Attaching remote controls to sucide vests has been around since at least
4/05 .

It isn't exactly rocket science to do it. (and without the knowledge of the bomb wearer.)

 

[coccinelle]

Do you remember IRA proxy bombs, you blithering idiot?/QUOTE]

Remember those special service brits caught driving around in arab disguises with explosives in the back of their car?

I remember them

 

[coccinelle]

That would be because you're using a very simplistic approach to trying to make sense of a very complicated problem. And thats just not going to work...

You're trying to patronize and give the impression that you're clever and I'm not...

What I'm saying is that this story smells and I don't believe that every horror reported in the Western press is necessarily down to those dusky medieval devils of Al Qaeda.

 

[goldenecitrone]

You're trying to patronize and give the impression that you're clever and I'm not...

What I'm saying is that this story smells and I don't believe that every horror reported in the Western press is necessarily down to those dusky medieval devils of Al Qaeda.

dusky??! WTF? Hark at Lawrence of Arabia here.

 

[jæd]

You're trying to patronize and give the impression that you're clever and I'm not...

Not exactly the greatest way to open a reply...

What I'm saying is that this story smells and I don't believe that every horror reported in the Western press is necessarily down to those dusky medieval devils of Al Qaeda.

So... Are you one of these people who think AQ Iraq is exactly the same as AQ Afghanistan...?

 

[Aldebaran]

The AQ tag is a very convenient one and I'm sceptic about anything that comes out of Iraq and gets painted in varoius subjective forms all over the Media.
The only reason this is front page news and especially in Western focussed media, is because of
a) women
b) on top of that mentally disabled women.
Double shock and horror by which the bloodshed caused pales in comparison, for those who are wilfully led towards shifting their focus to a) + b).

Which is in fact the whole reason why the AQ tag is so dodgy. They do not want to have the focus shifted.
In my idea this is one of the uncountable and never-to-be-solved massacres caused by God knows who against God knows what or whom, and AQ is as far from it as it is in fact from Iraq as a solidly set up and entertained organisation. Splintered groups of various people with various backgrounds, focus and goals do not make an AQ branch. Of course it is convenient to brush them under that popular brandname's umbrella.

salaam.

 

[taffboy gwyrdd]

What I'm saying is that this story smells and I don't believe that every horror reported in the Western press is necessarily down to those dusky medieval devils of Al Qaeda.

Maybe not the "story" but the presentation. Evidence of the true story gives conflicting accounts. The presentation doesnt. It is most likely AQ is responsible (and overlooking any CIA connections). As a side issue the media are happy to obscure the huge differences between the AQ and insurgents.

But the only thing that made this a real "story" was the downs component. That is yet to be ascertained as far as I can tell. But if it is a lie it will have "gone around the world before the truth can get its socks on". Thats how propaganda works. See (off the top of the head): The Gibralter IRA executions and the myth of Jessica Lynch.

 

[Yossarian]

But the only thing that made this a real "story" was the downs component

There was a time when a big bomb in Baghdad would barely have made the news, but the twin market bombings a couple of days back were the biggest and deadliest bombings in Baghdad for quite a while and came amidst lots of talk about how the 'surge' was returning life in Baghdad to something near normal, and so would have been big news anyway - it was definitely making headlines when the first reports only said it was a bomb hidden in a box of birds.

 

[Johnny Canuck3]

Funny stuff

Not really. You're misinterpreting my intent.

 

[coccinelle]

So... Are you one of these people who think AQ Iraq is exactly the same as AQ Afghanistan...?

Where did you get that one from?

 

[In Bloom]

Not really. You're misinterpreting my intent.

Exactly who do you think gives a shit about your intent, you shit-stirring dolt?

 

[ashley Kennedy]

What I'm saying is that this story smells and I don't believe that every horror reported in the Western press is necessarily down to those dusky medieval devils of Al Qaeda.

The story smells on several levels.

But a police official told McClatchy Newspapers that authorities were still investigating whether the explosion at the second market might have come from a bomb hidden in a cage or a box of eggs.

http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/iraq/2004159900_iraq02.html

and the Baghdad Pathologist has queried the medical competency of police to be able to identify Down Syndrome from a head disfigured by a bomb blast.

 

[Yossarian]

The story smells on several levels.

But a police official told McClatchy Newspapers that authorities were still investigating whether the explosion at the second market might have come from a bomb hidden in a cage or a box of eggs.

A bomb in a market full of people and birds makes one hell of a mess, I'm not surprised they're still looking into it.

and the Baghdad Pathologist has queried the medical competency of police to be able to identify Down Syndrome from a head disfigured by a bomb blast.

The pathologist's probably got a point (although I saw some pictures of the head at work, and I guess it did look a bit Down's), but other sources than the one you've posted say the women were already known to people at the market.

I don't know why such a big deal was made of the Down's syndrome element anyway - obviously it's inhumanly cruel to use mentally disabled people as walking bombs, but it's just as much so to use a bomb hidden in a box of eggs or whatever to blow up a market full of people.