Doreen Lawrence lamps Boris
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(Reads Butchersapron's post again now I'm not in a rush)
So hang on. that wasn't Boris either?
If you are going to accuse Boris of racism, please provide a quote from Boris Johnson proving the fact. Not from a 40 year old speech from someone kicked out of the party generations ago or from a columist in a newspaper he used to edit.
So hang on. that wasn't Boris either?
If you are going to accuse Boris of racism, please provide a quote from Boris Johnson proving the fact. Not from a 40 year old speech from someone kicked out of the party generations ago or from a columist in a newspaper he used to edit.
Blagsta said:
No I haven't. The simple fact of the matter is there is no evidence- none whatsoever- that this man is a racist. The case for the 'prosecution' seems to rest on little more than the use of 'watermelon smile' for a big cheesy grin. Oh and a whole load of quotes by completely different people.
ViolentPanda
Hardly getting over it.
keicar said:
Lets try and set this out simply for you:
Enoch Powell used certain phrases and words that were intended to put across racist points. Being a scholarly chap, and a rather good writer, Powell was able to do so without having to use such "common" terms as "nigger", "coon" or "wog".
These phrases (including the word "piccaninny", a word that's been out of common usuage since the 1960s) have subsequently served several decades-worth of racists as a means of "coding" expressions of racism within language that isn't overtly racist.
The use by Boris Johnson, a man who has previously shown himself to be amenable to the company of racists, to the employment of racists, of one of these "coded" words, may be an appeal for political support to racists. I doubt that even a pseudo-fogey like Johnson would otherwise choose to disinter such an old and insulting word. he isn't, regardless of his on-camera buffoonery, so stupid as to publish such a hostage to fortune.
Of course, you may be choosing not to get the point that butchers, blagsta etc are making, in which case...
northernhord
Active Member
keicar said:Ah! I get it! So the word 'piccaninny' was actually some sort of secret code word only understood by fellow racists, to awaken them from their apathy to support a mayoral bid in five years time.
This really is bordering on consipiraloonery
Nar its racism, check history out for an explantion of its guises and manifestations
northernhord said:Nar its racism, check history out for an explantion of its guises and manifestations
But history involves rea-ding and com-pre-hen-sion and o-pen-ness to ad-mit-ting that one's pre-con-cei-ved pre-ju-di-ces may be wrong
I fear I suspect that a mirror would be more apposite here.
sleaterkinney
Well-Known Member
The article was written five years ago, before he decided to run.keicar said:
northernhord
Active Member
laptop said:But history involves rea-ding and com-pre-hen-sion and o-pen-ness to ad-mit-ting that one's pre-con-cei-ved pre-ju-di-ces may be wrong
I fear I suspect that a mirror would be more apposite here.
Indeed
ShiftyBagLady
Thinks she is a flower to be looked at
i think the objections that stephen lawrences mother might have would stem from his criticisms of the mcpherson report,if im not mistaken he said that the finding of the inquest were too PC
i found the article below illuminating to say the least. it was written in 2000 but i dont believe that makes it outdated. i would rather judge a man by his previous outspoken beliefs that what he presents us with while he is campaigning.http://www.guardian.co.uk/macpherson/article/0,,191670,00.html
i found the article below illuminating to say the least. it was written in 2000 but i dont believe that makes it outdated. i would rather judge a man by his previous outspoken beliefs that what he presents us with while he is campaigning.http://www.guardian.co.uk/macpherson/article/0,,191670,00.html
ChrisFilter
Like a boss.
keicar said:This really is bordering on consipiraloonery
Mate, I'd go for a walk, then come back and re-read this thread.. you're making a bit of a tit of yourself.. it's pretty funny, but I have some sympathy because it's easy to back yourself into a corner.
Essentially there's a lot of evidence that would suggest that Mr Johnson isn't averse to making jokes about nig nogs and gollywogs when dining with chums.
Just done that, actually (dog sittingChrisFilter said:
), and I don't feel I am. It *is* to back yerself into a corner (and I've done it a time or two on various boards in my time) but I don't feel I'm doing it hereAgain words like 'suggest' and 'may'. Not exactly overwhelming evidence.
The ironic thing is I'm not especially keen on BJ, his chief attribute being the fact he isn't Ken Livingstone. He is certainly gaff-prone, but that is a million miles away from being a racist.
ChrisFilter
Like a boss.
Oh, I dunno.. if it looks like shit, smells like shit, I'm not gonna take a bite.
ska invita
back on the other side
I heard a pretty plausible analysis that said that putting Boris up for this was Camerons way of getting him off the benches, and slowly out of the party - if he stands for mayor he cant stand as an MP (is that right?).London_Calling said:
Then if he doesnt stand as an MP then they dont have to fire him - and supposedly many in the Tory ranks see him as nothing more than a liability, and for their arch advertiser, CAmeron himself, he must be a bad look for the new brand Torys.
P.S. CAmeron has been begging that people stop using the word Tory to describe the Torys - preferring the cudlier "Camerons Conservatives". Tories it is then.
hey, how the hell did i not notice keicar before?
what a fucking chump
what a fucking chump
agricola
a genuine importer of owls
niksativa said:
I dont think anyone over there is embarassed by Boris - save from Cameron and his ilk (and only then because he is far more likeable than "Dave"). More likely he sees him as a name who people will pick up on when the bandwagon to get rid of Cameron gets rolling properly - lets face it, aside from Hague there isnt anyone else who can could even be vaguely considered credible in this current Her Majesties' Opposition.
In any case, this is a very sad start to a Mayoral campaign - no doubt we will shortly be seeing, as a counterattack, Ken being labelled as an anti-semite, with exactly the same level of justification as Boris Johnston being labelled a racist.
Kid_Eternity
Quis custodiet ipsos custodes?
niksativa said:
I've heard the same thing, but the Tories are also desperate, they've not got any good candidates this time so Boris is the great hope.
Kid_Eternity
Quis custodiet ipsos custodes?
keicar said:err, hi.
err,thanks
Oh dear. *pats keicar on the back* Dub has found his new play thing, good luck!
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