dog training

[nicksonic]

No, he's only got one hip. He comes out and about on the farm if I'm doing something with the animals but anything more than that and he can't walk next day

i should think bring on a farm is quite stimulating for him.

usually if a dog can't exercise properly for whatever reason then mental stimulation is the order of the day. when our bitch was in season and couldn't go out off the lead we used to play games with her by hiding a ball/carrot/ourselves and getting her to find the object (repeat x1000), putting some food somewhere and getting her to sit for as long as possible before retrieving, and any kind of indoor training tbh.

(sorry if you know all this already).

 

[nicksonic]

one, charcoal flavour

if it had been two.....

lol

 

[madzone]

i should think bring on a farm is quite stimulating for him.

usually if a dog can't exercise properly for whatever reason then mental stimulation is the order of the day. when our bitch was in season and couldn't go out off the lead we used to play games with her by hiding a ball/carrot/ourselves and getting her to find the object (repeat x1000), putting some food somewhere and getting her to sit for as long as possible before retrieving, and any kind of indoor training tbh.

(sorry if you know all this already).

He likes to pretend he's a sheepdog

 

[nicksonic]

He likes to pretend he's a sheepdog

you mean like in that show 'one madz and her dog'?

 

[Sweaty Betty]

I love Cesar milan- calm submissive behaviour you hear!!!!!

 

[nicksonic]

I love Cesar milan- calm submissive behaviour you hear!!!!!

i love how he designed a new type of choke lead and named it... after his wife.

 

[madzone]

you mean like in that show 'one madz and her dog'?

Only if it's the one where the sheep look at the dog and go 'Waaaaaanker'

 

[nicksonic]

Only if it's the one where the sheep look at the dog and go 'Waaaaaanker'

i think they invoked the obscenity bleep when it got to the '...nker' part

 

[Sweaty Betty]

i love how he designed a new type of choke lead and named it... after his wife.

Didnt know that!! Class

 

[nicksonic]

Didnt know that!! Class

i present... the 'illusion collar & leash set', just $39.95 (plus shipping and tax) from your local, er, cesar millan website!


http://www.cesarmillaninc.com/products/i-collar.php

 

[Sweaty Betty]

i present... the 'illusion collar & leash set', just $39.95 (plus shipping and tax) from your local, er, cesar millan website!


http://www.cesarmillaninc.com/products/i-collar.php

That website will keep me busy for a while lol

I dont even have a dog at the moment, but by watching it i realise how much i fucked up my last dog- thank god i wasnt selfish enough to keep her and got her re-homed with a family without any problems!!!

 

[nicksonic]

I dont even have a dog at the moment, but by watching it i realise how much i fucked up my last dog- thank god i wasnt selfish enough to keep her and got her re-homed with a family without any problems!!!

were you not calm and assertive?????????????????????????

 

[madzone]

My dog's fucking me up. Selfish fucker won't get me rehomed though

 

[Sweaty Betty]

were you not calm and assertive?????????????????????????

hell No

i was needy

 

[nicksonic]

My dog's fucking me up. Selfish fucker won't get me rehomed though

get increasingly aggressive, but not so much that you need to be put down.

 

[dwenfish]

1. take off flea collar - they are shit
2. wait a week and get either frontline or stronghold * do not apply whilst there is a chance of the stuff from the flea collar still being present
3. apply

why?

 

[Pingu]

cos you can O/D the dog on the chems

 

[dwenfish]

cos you can O/D the dog on the chems

ah ok!

 

[dwenfish]

i just had a scary woman adimantly informing me that i was doing it wrong by just stopping whenever he was pulling and that i should instead put the collar higher up and tug hard whenever he pulls...she then followed me down the street barking criticism and advice...so who do i believe, scarily insistent old lady or the good people of u75??

 

[nicksonic]

i just had a scary woman adimantly informing me that i was doing it wrong by just stopping whenever he was pulling and that i should instead put the collar higher up and tug hard whenever he pulls...she then followed me down the street barking criticism and advice...so who do i believe, scarily insistent old lady or the good people of u75??

she was barking?

the solution is a bit of both tbh, which is why a gunslip lead is useful because if the hound pulls the lead will tighten. if you're walking and he pulls, tug on the lead to bring him back, but if he continues pulling then stop.

hound needs to learn that when you stop it means that he's not walking 'properly', rather than getting used to a constant walk/yank/walk/yank routine.

hth!

 

[zenie]

Epic post apologies in advance

have done no more rubbing nose in piss after reading this thread! though firmly told him off and put him out on the balconey when i caught him in the act this morning...

He still won't understand you know...

Very cute dog! looks like a lab cross with a daschund or something!

also, a gunslip lead is useful - it will automatically tighten up if he pulls.

Why use a slip lead so it tightens around the neck and not a flat collar and work on the training? I don't use instruments of torture on my animals and don't recommend others to do it either.

Interesting you say about the illusion collar. The illusion is that it's a nice training colour when in fact it hurts more than any other kind of collar because of it's placement high on the neck on the most painful part for the dog.

I can't wait for Cesar Millan to get kicked off the TV or made to retrain in positive science backed methods. Him and his methods have done such damage to dogs.

also- vaccines, apparently he is fully vaccinated but there is no proof of this, which will cause big probs for getting a passport etc, anything i can do about this?

cheers!

So you're outside of the UK? To get a pet passport they need to be mircrochipped, fully vaccinated including Rabies, wormed and flea treated. You have to wait 6 months for the second rabies test before you can return to the UK. All these things need to have the correct paperwork before they allow you entry to the UK (Vets at Calais to do worming/flea treatment and signing off of paperwork but be warned getting the Pet Passport IS expensive!! )

How can I train my dog to not go mental when we let him into the garden?

Define 'go mental'

I'll be back to this thread later. My dog has a really bad habit of pissing and shitting on the kitchen floor in the night - right next to his bed. He gets let out last thing but is basically a lazy fucker. He also pushes past me and treads on my feet etc and growls at anyone who comes near me. Basically has no idea of his palce in the pack. I'm really close to rehoming him.

I don't believe in pack systems in dogs, it's pretty outdated, BUT I do agree your dog needs to be taught some manners.

You can train him to sit and wait at doors, him touching your foot is possibly because he loves you and wants to be close to you

right, i need one more bit of advice! he's doing really well with pissing and shitting outside, but should i praise him during or after he does his business, as sometimes i seem to put him off lol! also re: the pulling thing, i've been praising him whenever he stops pulling but my praise just seems to encourage him to pull further!

Use the word you want him to connect with going to the toilet WHILE he's doing it, OTT praise and treats after, grab your balls and make your voice go high there's a good boy!

i just had a scary woman adimantly informing me that i was doing it wrong by just stopping whenever he was pulling and that i should instead put the collar higher up and tug hard whenever he pulls...she then followed me down the street barking criticism and advice...so who do i believe, scarily insistent old lady or the good people of u75??

Everyone and their aunt will try and tell you how you should treat your dog, best thing to do is ignore them and stick what you're comfortable with.

Choke collars, choke chains, half check collars, checking, jerking, hanging - these are all very outdated ways of training dogs with + punishment. Modern training methods -Positive reward based work faster, and the dog isn't emotionally damaged by them.

Why do people want to hurt their animals when they don't need to? Ask yourself that.

I've got a spare Turid Rugaas 'my dog pulls what do I do' you can borrow, otherwise the '300 peck' method is very good as it teaches your dog to remain on a loose leash for longer and longer (building duration they call it). You don't need to use a clicker 'good' said enthusiastically will be fine.

http://www.clickertraining.com/node/1057

Gimme a shout when/if you're back here.

 

[nicksonic]

obviously a choke chain (i.e. the crazy cesar one) is cruel, i don't think i recommended it did i?

there isn't any difference with a slip lead and a regular lead/collar, except that with a slip lead you don't need to yank it if the dog starts pulling.

 

[zenie]

obviously a choke chain (i.e. the crazy cesar one) is cruel, i don't think i recommended it did i?

there isn't any difference with a slip lead and a regular lead/collar, except that with a slip lead you don't need to yank it if the dog starts pulling.

You did the method from which they came.

And you just proved my point! Why do you yank at all?

 

[nicksonic]

You did the method from which they came.

And you just proved my point! Why do you yank at all?

but the dog yanks with a regular collar, hence why the action is called 'pulling'! do you run after it to make sure the lead is nice and loose?!

 

[Pingu]

because dogs rarely learn from sustained pulling

a slip lead will just contract tighter round the dogs neck which runs the risk of nerve and muscle damage. a flat collar wont do this. using the emthod in question the -tive reinforcer is the stopping, the dog cant get to where it wants to go if the lead is tight its not about inflicting discomfort or pan etc. once the lead goes slack you move again. the dog then starts to associate the forward motion with a slack lead and will tend to keep the lead slack in order to get to where it wants to go.

i use a combination of clicker and reward based training for my dogs and have competed in both obiedience and agility with them. it helps form a very strong bond between you and your dog as it associates you with nice things and the dog does what you ask because it wants to and not because it fears the consequencces of not doing so.

I very rarely use a negative reinforcer when working with aggresive dogs but if i do its normally training disks. i never use check chains etc. In 15 years of doing this i have only ever been bitten badly once, and that was because i was distracted and didnt see the warning signals.

yes you can get an obiedient dog by using negative reinforcers but you get a much more solid and reliable behaviour from using positive ones

 

[nicksonic]

i think i said in post #80 that if he pulls then tug the lead, if he continues then stop. anything cruel/negative wrt to training is bad for an animal.

 

[madzone]

And again. I fucking hate that dog. I spent ages scrubbing the fucking floor as well

 

[zenie]

because dogs rarely learn from sustained pulling

a slip lead will just contract tighter round the dogs neck which runs the risk of nerve and muscle damage. a flat collar wont do this. using the emthod in question the -tive reinforcer is the stopping, the dog cant get to where it wants to go if the lead is tight its not about inflicting discomfort or pan etc. once the lead goes slack you move again. the dog then starts to associate the forward motion with a slack lead and will tend to keep the lead slack in order to get to where it wants to go.

i use a combination of clicker and reward based training for my dogs and have competed in both obiedience and agility with them. it helps form a very strong bond between you and your dog as it associates you with nice things and the dog does what you ask because it wants to and not because it fears the consequencces of not doing so.

I very rarely use a negative reinforcer when working with aggresive dogs but if i do its normally training disks. i never use check chains etc. In 15 years of doing this i have only ever been bitten badly once, and that was because i was distracted and didnt see the warning signals.

yes you can get an obiedient dog by using negative reinforcers but you get a much more solid and reliable behaviour from using positive ones

AND no emotional damage with positive reinforcement!

Nick - I think Pingu's explained why you don't use checking in modern positive reward based dog training, when the dog gets to the end of the leash no you don't move. The idea is that the dog will look back to you for guidance, you then reinforce the dog for walking beside you and not being on a tight leash. There are many ways to teach loose leash walking, none of which involve any choking or checking of the collar.

 

[xes]

Also, pulling back on a dog, is like asking it to go forward. Pull to the side if you have to pull, just a short sharp pull. Not hard! Also, be calm, if you're getting frustrated, then the dog will also be frustrated. If you're calm, you'll get better results, quicker.

 

[dwenfish]

so, he's v slowly getting better on the pulling front, but he's recently started barking and going mental if i leave him for a bit, anything i can do to stop this?