Maurice Picarda
Actually, might as well flounce.
£7 here and that's Norf Lunnon.
Does your cleaner do this...?
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mentalchik
"I say we take off and nuke the site from orbit."
I keep thinking about putting her fee up, like having a yearly review, but then she does something to upset me and the idea passes quickly out of my head. I might do it though in November and then reduce her hour by one
Cor you're quite a peach aint ya !
scifisam
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£20ph cash in hand? That's way more than I get, as a teacher, and my GF, as an accountant. How do so many people afford cleaners if they're paying that much?
Maybe I should become a cleaner. Cleaning other people's stuff is, for some reason, much easier than cleaning your own.
Nougat
metalmonkey to the rescue
Cor you're quite a peach aint ya !
I should expanded on this. She currently gets paid for 3hrs but finishes in 90mins - 2hrs. It doesn't add up does it
I was playing to the uber liberals but none bit
I'd pay someone around a tenner an hour if I did have a cleaner but I feel uncomfortable with it, don't even like people pulling the chair from the table when and taking my plate away. Was brought up to do my own stuff and clean up after myself so it has stuck *shrug*
scifisam
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I was playing to the uber liberals but none bit
I'd pay someone around a tenner an hour if I did have a cleaner but I feel uncomfortable with it, don't even like people pulling the chair from the table when and taking my plate away. Was brought up to do my own stuff and clean up after myself so it has stuck *shrug*
The time and motion thing is true, though, and if it means you get more time to spend with your family, then who loses? Not the cleaner on a tenner an hour.
I'm very good at teaching people how to speak English, but I hate cleaning. It would be better if someone else did my cleaning, I spent that time teaching, and they got part of my pay, through me paying them to clean. Then we both have an income, and my student improves their English.
If only I were paid enough for that to happen, of course.
mrsfran
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That thread was in General. This is Suburban. If it were in General it would create just as much of a bunfight, I'm sure.
mentalchik
"I say we take off and nuke the site from orbit."
I should expanded on this. She currently gets paid for 3hrs but finishes in 90mins - 2hrs. It doesn't add up does it
Tbh i don't really care....you say you've employed this woman for 2 years so why you are whining about it now i'm not sure really !
It was more the tone of this....
i was commenting on !
scifisam
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I agree, it did sound almost like a parody of a stingy boss.
Anyway, if she's managing to do her work quicker than expected, and she gets the necessary amount of work done, she's just being efficient - she shouldn't lose money for her efficiency.
I was playing to the uber liberals but none bit
I'd pay someone around a tenner an hour if I did have a cleaner but I feel uncomfortable with it, don't even like people pulling the chair from the table when and taking my plate away. Was brought up to do my own stuff and clean up after myself so it has stuck *shrug*
me too.
I also don't have that much stuff to clean. and anyway, it doesn't have to be that clean, I'm not fucking ocd
rogue_lettuce
Well-Known Member
Maybe this is the anti-capitalist in me showing, but I just don't know where people get the idea that it's ok for them to be able to pay for food/rent/etc AND have someone clean their stuff, while their cleaner can only choose one or the other (since the cleaner would have to pay ALL of their income in order to afford a cleaner who charged the same rate as they do, or get a cleaner who was even cheaper than them, thus passing the problem down the income brackets).
Not having a go, it's just that that mentality is literally alien to me.
scifisam
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Maybe this is the anti-capitalist in me showing, but I just don't know where people get the idea that it's ok for them to be able to pay for food/rent/etc AND have someone clean their stuff, while their cleaner can only choose one or the other (since the cleaner would have to pay ALL of their income in order to afford a cleaner who charged the same rate as they do, or get a cleaner who was even cheaper than them, thus passing the problem down the income brackets).
Not having a go, it's just that that mentality is literally alien to me.
That leads into 'none of us should ever pay anyone for anything.' Of course, that might be where you want it to lead.
But the idea is that a cleaner can choose to train to become the person in the higher income bracket - which, of course, is often what cleaners are doing, using the earnings they get from cleaning.
I don't know where people get the idea that paying someone to clean your house is bad, but paying someone to cook your food, like in a takeaway, isn't.
harpo
Listening to Radio Jackie
If you say that, you imply that the act of cleaning someone else's house is inferior, when in fact it isn't. It's a job like any other. It's no different that pouring someone else's pint, carrying somone else's plate or typing someone else's letter. It isn't the shittiest job either or the lowest paid.
scifisam
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Is that to me? Personally, I don't think cleaning's an inferior job at all - it is sometimes (maybe even often) a job that people do on the route to something else, but it is also a very worthwhile job in itself.
Those that say they wouldn't pay someone to clean their house, while being happy to let other people pull their pints and type their letters - they're the ones saying it's inferior.
mentalchik
"I say we take off and nuke the site from orbit."
You will be suprised then to find that lots of people do and also look down on people that do the job !
The past 3 years i've worked in a hospital as a housekeeping assistant part of which involves a lot of cleaning.....
People really do think you are a lower form of life and thick to boot !
We are the lowest paid, do some of the longest hours and generally only noticed if something doesn't get done right !
quimcunx
imprimeo, lamino, distribuo
Maybe this is the anti-capitalist in me showing, but I just don't know where people get the idea that it's ok for them to be able to pay for food/rent/etc AND have someone clean their stuff, while their cleaner can only choose one or the other (since the cleaner would have to pay ALL of their income in order to afford a cleaner who charged the same rate as they do, or get a cleaner who was even cheaper than them, thus passing the problem down the income brackets).
Not having a go, it's just that that mentality is literally alien to me.
Presumably the cleaner will work for, for instance 35 hours a week at £Y per hour, and would employ a cleaner for, for instance 2 hours a week at £Y per hour. Therefore he/she would have an income of 35x£Y and outgoings on cleaning of 2x£Y leaving 33x£Y for food/rent/etc.
harpo
Listening to Radio Jackie
I wish you NHS cleaners were given a bit more creedence for what you do. In fact I wish you were employed by the NHS properly. My father died of MRSA in the self-lauding Southport and District General. Filthy place. Cleaners came in every second day and that was in the High Dependency Unit. Not the cleaning staffs fault, of course.
mentalchik
"I say we take off and nuke the site from orbit."
Not actually in the NHS but i totally agree with ya. Our local General hospital is usually quite dirty from what i can see.........
it's one of those things that people only notice when it's not done properly and it's also a job that is woefully undervalued, paid shit and looked down on !
I think in general people also don't realise that it's quite a hard job (to do properly) it isn't just a case of flicking a cloth round something !
Geri
wasn't born to follow
Well, no - because most people are capable of cleaning their own house to a satisfactory standard but not everyone is capable of typing a letter that's fit to be sent out.
As to pulling pints, try walking behind the bar in your local pub and trying to do it yourself, and see what the landlord has to say! Same with the restaurant analogy - of course I am quite capable of fetching and carrying my own food, but if everyone did that it would be quite chaotic and it#s the choice of the restaurant owner as to how he runs his business. Some of course are self service.
harpo
Listening to Radio Jackie
I understand. All I am saying is that anyone in the service industry should be treated with respect. There's nothing intrinsically inferior about being a cleaner.
_angel_
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Think hospital cleaners get quite a raw deal (temped as a hospital cleaner for a bit)
I'd prefer house cleaning (or maybe office cleaning) over that. Certainly house cleaning you can charge what you like, mainly pick your working hours and if you stick at it it can turn into a nice little part time or even fulltime job.
Downsides are never getting sick and holiday pay, though.
mentalchik
"I say we take off and nuke the site from orbit."
_angel_
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It's the inconvenience. You're only there a few hours. If you're trying to make any kind of living from it you've got to factor in traveling to and fro as well.
Plus I think there's a guilt element there.
rogue_lettuce
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That is exactly where I want it to lead.
Erm... No... That's precisely the opposite of what I'm doing...
By saying that cleaners should be paid less than their employers, you imply that. By saying that cleaners should NOT be paid less than their employers, you imply that they are in fact equal.Ah, yes... I wasn't thinking about the relative amount of time for which they would work compared to the amount of time for which they would have to employ a cleaner... Hmmm... You're probably right in terms of the real world, but in principle the issue remains... If you do 2 hrs' work as a lawyer, you will earn enough to pay for 2 hrs' work as a cleaner AND for food/etc, whereas the cleaner would only be able to choose one or the other. Thus if a cleaner wants to employ a cleaner, they have to work for longer than the lawyer does per week.
DotCommunist
So many particulars. So many questions.
I would say yes, for sure. Especially being out of London as you are (location:M16), that's what I pay my cleaner, although my friend lives in Islington 'don't cha know' and pays his £9 + bonus if she washes his cast iron pots
I keep thinking about putting her fee up, like having a yearly review, but then she does something to upset me and the idea passes quickly out of my head. I might do it though in November and then reduce her hour by one
You are fast losing my sympathy here tbh
DotCommunist
So many particulars. So many questions.
For me tiredness alone will do it, I woudn't worry about it if I were you.
So..... do people really get upset if you do stuff that's 'outside your remit'? I'd just be grateful for all the help I could get I think
I wouldn't know, because if I aint getting paid to do it I won't. It's still annoying to see a massive pile of unwashed dishes blotting the otherwise pristine kitchen one has cleaned
DotCommunist
So many particulars. So many questions.
Let's not forget that we are the first under suspicion when things go missing
And also, I have been asked in seriousness why I am doing a 'womans job' FFS.
mentalchik
"I say we take off and nuke the site from orbit."
Let's not forget that we are the first under suspicion when things go missing
Oh yeah, we have had that one loads.........
I have also has someone say to me "why, you're actually quite intelligent aren't you "
