Or reduce the English league to three teams then anyone could win it
Does the team you support still have something to play for ?
- Thread starter Termite Man
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Or reduce the English league to three teams then anyone could win it
For 'recent years' read 'quarter of a century ago'
Donna Ferentes
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Ah, the robot is programmed to respond but is not yet able to handle logic
So my post wasn't logical are you sure you are ?
Donna Ferentes
jubliado
Heh, it's the same illogic again. Evidently the robot has a bug.
Besides, the number of different winners alone is misleading.
Top 5 English Championship winners:
Liverpool - 18
Manchester United - 17
Arsenal - 13
Everton - 9
Aston Villa - 7
Top 5 Scottish Championship winners:
Rangers - 51 (50 outright, 1 shared)
Celtic - 42
Heart of Midlothian - 4
Aberdeen - 4
Hibernian - 4
So in Scotland, 93 out of 111 titles have been hoovered up by the Ugly Sisters whereas only 64 of 109 English titles have been won by the leading five clubs. It's nothing to do with proportionality.
Btw before anyone asks, the Scots didn't stop for WWI which is why there have been more Scottish titles than English, even though the Football League started first
Top 5 English Championship winners:
Liverpool - 18
Manchester United - 17
Arsenal - 13
Everton - 9
Aston Villa - 7
Top 5 Scottish Championship winners:
Rangers - 51 (50 outright, 1 shared)
Celtic - 42
Heart of Midlothian - 4
Aberdeen - 4
Hibernian - 4
So in Scotland, 93 out of 111 titles have been hoovered up by the Ugly Sisters whereas only 64 of 109 English titles have been won by the leading five clubs. It's nothing to do with proportionality.
Btw before anyone asks, the Scots didn't stop for WWI which is why there have been more Scottish titles than English, even though the Football League started first
Plus, there are always teams like Everton, Villa, Newcastle who have had major chances of upsetting the title race in recent years. They usually blow it, but that's not the big 4's fault in itself.
I can't remember any team looking even close to breaking the big 2 in scotland, apart from Hearts a few years ago when they were going really well until their chairman sacked their manager inexplicably
Termite Man
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and 6 points for automatic ( potentially 4 if you beat bury and then they lose and you draw on the last day of the season and Wycombe lose all their games which I hope won't happen )
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ericjarvis
give a feck for the feckless
I'd say there is a cautionary aspect to this.
The problem in Scotland is that a huge proportion of the population support the Old Firm teams regardless of where they live. That messes up the chances of every other team in the country. We are in danger of that happening in England, with the vast majority of football fans supporting Man Utd, Arsenal, or Chelsea, regardless of where they live. I'd much prefer that not to happen. It's taking the game out of the hands of the fans and putting it more firmly in the hands of the TV companies and the beancounters.
The problem in Scotland is that a huge proportion of the population support the Old Firm teams regardless of where they live. That messes up the chances of every other team in the country. We are in danger of that happening in England, with the vast majority of football fans supporting Man Utd, Arsenal, or Chelsea, regardless of where they live. I'd much prefer that not to happen. It's taking the game out of the hands of the fans and putting it more firmly in the hands of the TV companies and the beancounters.
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Even around Upton Park itself, apart from on match days you're more likely to see Chelsea, ARsenal, Man U, liverpool t-shirts than you are west ham ones
kained&able
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Even around Upton Park itself, apart from on match days you're more likely to see Chelsea, ARsenal, Man U, liverpool t-shirts than you are west ham ones
Not wanting to be racist but i'm going to be a bit racist. Think thats a lot to do with it being a highly asian area around upton park. They all get to pick thier teams rather then being a born and bred fan(just like me
) and tend to go for the sucessful teams(unlike me ) rather then the most local or whatever.I bet that comes accross realy badly.
dave
Fedayn
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Not wanting to be racist but i'm going to be a bit racist. Think thats a lot to do with it being a highly asian area around upton park. They all get to pick thier teams rather then being a born and bred fan(just like me
I bet that comes accross realy badly.
dave
Or maybe their older family memebrs remember what football stadia were like-West Ham in particular in this instance-was like in the 80s'. 'A day at the racists' is how a number of Arsenal lads I know saw Upton park in the 80's. The continuing utter lack of asian players in the league let alone EPL. It's not an excuse but the memory still holds. And btw that applies to all clubs in areas with a sizable asian population in the local area not just the WHammers.
Not wanting to be racist but i'm going to be a bit racist. Think thats a lot to do with it being a highly asian area around upton park. They all get to pick thier teams rather then being a born and bred fan(just like me
I bet that comes accross realy badly.
dave
Nah, I've thought it myself before tbh.
Actually when I went to the KUMB meet up in Wuhan, one of the other west ham fans was from Clapham. I asked him how he came to support west ham being from round there, and he said it was just to wind up his family, who all supported liverpool. Anyway he went on about his first visit to the ground, and how the area nearby was 'just like downtown calcutta, mate', which would probably be a tad racist - except for the fact that he himself is south asian (although I suspect trinidadian rather than directlyf rom south asia)
Yeah - it's very probable.
I just think our club should start looking at local asian lads for the academy. I bet if a few came through we'd make much more of the local catchment.
kained&able
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One of my uni mates is/was involved with coaching asian school kids at west ham.
Says its a bit pointless. None of them are good enough(or have been so far) to make the proper training days and its difficult to get the best out of em beacuse of peer pressure and them all trying to show each other up rather then play as a team.
dave
Says its a bit pointless. None of them are good enough(or have been so far) to make the proper training days and its difficult to get the best out of em beacuse of peer pressure and them all trying to show each other up rather then play as a team.
dave
Sounds a bit like the Chinese and football.
They love the game, they do so well at say the Olympics where it's individual sport, but they cannot play together. There's something weird about Chinese culture; on the one hand, it stresses 'the motherland', 'togetherness' andso on, and yet when it comes to sport, the egos totally dominate and they fail.
I mean look at the national team and the world cup! The fact that a nation of their size has only qualified for one WC is ridiculous! And they often don't even get through to the last bit of the qualifying! This time they flaked out early to fucking Abu Dhabi or something!
They love the game, they do so well at say the Olympics where it's individual sport, but they cannot play together. There's something weird about Chinese culture; on the one hand, it stresses 'the motherland', 'togetherness' andso on, and yet when it comes to sport, the egos totally dominate and they fail.
I mean look at the national team and the world cup! The fact that a nation of their size has only qualified for one WC is ridiculous! And they often don't even get through to the last bit of the qualifying! This time they flaked out early to fucking Abu Dhabi or something!
Fedayn
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A bit pointless? Write off an entire section of the population because of the behaviour of a few.... Now what's that word i'm looking for.
kained&able
Here for the football.
hes asian before you start and has been doing the coaching for a bout 3-5 years.(three i know about 5 if hes still doing it)
He has yet to see someone on an asian coaching day that has been good enough to be invited back for a proper trial day. Let alone worth offering even a first year academy contract too.
dave
He has yet to see someone on an asian coaching day that has been good enough to be invited back for a proper trial day. Let alone worth offering even a first year academy contract too.
dave
Fedayn
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And asians can't stereotype?!
The point is that whilst I don't doubt WHam, like any o0tehr club, would happily play any player of any coklour if he was good enough the approach from both the club and the sad reliance on community elders who still thuink football 'not for them' there's an impasse. Working-class asian kids play football the same as their non-asian counterparts.
Football in the community always seemd tokenistic to me, after all when Everton had an alleged 'racist' signing policy they had an excellent football in the community scheme in Toxteth. The left hand either didn't know, or didn't want to know what the right hand was doing.
kained&able
Here for the football.
i dont get what your saying to be honest.
My mate reckons the whole football in the community thing is qute counter productive in many ways. beacuse the asian kids dont get to play with everyone else its really segregated and beacuse they arent playing with better players the standards aren't noticeibly improving.
dave
My mate reckons the whole football in the community thing is qute counter productive in many ways. beacuse the asian kids dont get to play with everyone else its really segregated and beacuse they arent playing with better players the standards aren't noticeibly improving.
dave
Fedayn
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I think there's a certain patronising nature about it yeah. But how does a team attract all the locals to get involved? There's a whole load of assumptions made by both sides, both with a football ain't for you/us slant. it's bollocks.
Some good points made above 
ericjarvis
give a feck for the feckless
Eurosport often shows Asian World Cup qualifiers. Currently the Koreans, both North and South, are playing some terrific footie. The Chinese mens team doesn't punch its weight, but the womens team certainly does.
India and Pakistan don't have much in terms of football so far as I am aware. Like the USA it's just not the sport of choice. I don't see that necessarily applying to South Asian people from elsewhere. There have been plenty of international players of Indian origin in Malaysia, Singapore, and even in some East African nations. There's also a very persistent assumption that there are no British Asian pro players, which hasn't been the case for many years.
I'm not saying the British Asian communities are a hotbed of undiscovered talents. Just that there is undoubtedly a certain amount of prejudice, an assumption that British Asians play cricket or hockey, but not footie.
India and Pakistan don't have much in terms of football so far as I am aware. Like the USA it's just not the sport of choice. I don't see that necessarily applying to South Asian people from elsewhere. There have been plenty of international players of Indian origin in Malaysia, Singapore, and even in some East African nations. There's also a very persistent assumption that there are no British Asian pro players, which hasn't been the case for many years.
I'm not saying the British Asian communities are a hotbed of undiscovered talents. Just that there is undoubtedly a certain amount of prejudice, an assumption that British Asians play cricket or hockey, but not footie.
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