Does God exist?

[RhymnRzn]

I have copies of both the NIV and the KJV. Very useful. And both contain the same passage.

Excuse the earlier sarcasm, but could you try again with "anybody found as a master or as a servant, when being called with their high calling, must needs seek God after the due order, which is helpful towards the will of God more perfectly".

Can you put it another way?

NIV - "Slaves"
KJV - "Servants"

I'm no slave to words, but I'll serve the best ones with all that's in me.

 

[danny la rouge]

"anybody found as a master or as a servant, when being called with their high calling, must needs seek God after the due order, which is helpful towards the will of God more perfectly".

?

 

[maomao]

NIV - "Slaves"
KJV - "Servants"

What's the Hebru?

 

[danny la rouge]

But, as to your translation query, bible.org has this to say:

Though δοῦλος (doulos) is often translated “servant,” the word does not bear the connotation of a free individual serving another. BDAG notes that “‘servant’ for ‘slave’ is largely confined to Biblical transl. and early American times…in normal usage at the present time the two words are carefully distinguished” (BDAG 260 s.v.). The most accurate translation is “bondservant” (sometimes found in the ASV for δοῦλος), in that it often indicates one who sells himself into slavery to another.

http://www.bible.org/netbible/eph6_notes.htm

 

[RhymnRzn]

And once we've done that, we can look at why a translation into Elizabethan English is a true sword and a translation into contemporary English a false one...

For reasons only good and right it says in my Bibles flaps

AUTHORIZED KING JAMES VERSION
TRANSLATED OUT OF THE ORIGINAL
TONGUES AND WITH PREVIOUS
TRANSLATIONS DILIGENTLY
COMPARED AND REVISED

The translators that did the work wrote that their work should never be forbidden to be current: seeing that these are ancient texts, weighty evidence is found that these ancient manuscripts accurately describe the latter days, which is our modern time. As the prophet says:

Isaiah 42:9

Behold, the former things are come to pass, and new things do I declare: before they spring forth I tell you of them.

 

[danny la rouge]

What's the Hebru?

Doulos is Greek, which was the language the letter to the Ephesians was written in.

 

[danny la rouge]

RhymnRzn, I'm sorry, but I simply don't understand you.

 

[laptop]

While we're here, photography is forbidden, as are painting and drawing:

Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image, or any likeness of any thing that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth.

So no smilies in this thread, unless you want to risk being smitten with a great smiting...

 

[RhymnRzn]

"anybody found as a master or as a servant, when being called with their high calling, must needs seek God after the due order, which is helpful towards the will of God more perfectly".

?

This was said in support of the claim I made, saying that the Bible does not endorse slavery.

(I am going to quote some more Scripture here, to tie some ideas together: so I hope you'll follow me)

1 Corinthians 7:18

Is any man called being circumcised? let him not become uncircumcised. Is any called in uncircumcision? let him not be circumcised. (v.19) Circumcision is nothing, and uncircumcision is nothing, but the keeping of the commandments of God. (v.20) Let every man abide in the same calling wherein he was called. (v.21) Art thou called being a servant? care not for it: but if thou mayest be made free, use it rather. (v.22) For he that is called in the Lord, being a servant, is the Lord's freeman: likewise also he that is called, being free, is Christ's servant. (v.23) Ye are bought with a price; be not ye the servants of men. (v.24) Brethren, let every man, wherein he is called, therein abide with God.

 

[danny la rouge]

This was said in support of the claim I made, saying that the Bible does not endorse slavery.

I know what it was said in support of, what I'm genuinely puzzled about is what it means. The words. What do they convey?

 

[Yossarian]

However, you may purchase male or female slaves from among the foreigners who live among you. You may also purchase the children of such resident foreigners, including those who have been born in your land. You may treat them as your property, passing them on to your children as a permanent inheritance. You may treat your slaves like this, but the people of Israel, your relatives, must never be treated this way. (Leviticus 25:44-46 NLT)

So slavery’s fine by that particular god, as long as you don’t buy any Jews.

 

[RhymnRzn]

However, you may purchase male or female slaves from among the foreigners who live among you. You may also purchase the children of such resident foreigners, including those who have been born in your land. You may treat them as your property, passing them on to your children as a permanent inheritance. You may treat your slaves like this, but the people of Israel, your relatives, must never be treated this way. (Leviticus 25:44-46 NLT)

So slavery’s fine by that particular god, as long as you don’t buy any Jews.

You know the Hebrews were commanded in the same Spirit as Christ with reguards to treating others. I mean, if I am to be a reluctant servant (rather than the wicked method of forced slavery and usury), I'd prefer obedient Hebrew masters by a long shot, who were forbidden to bare rule with cruelty, and also had to commit to a seventh year release.

 

[Yossarian]

Suppose you hear in one of the towns the LORD your God is giving you that some worthless rabble among you have led their fellow citizens astray by encouraging them to worship foreign gods. In such cases, you must examine the facts carefully. If you find it is true and can prove that such a detestable act has occurred among you, you must attack that town and completely destroy all its inhabitants, as well as all the livestock. Then you must pile all the plunder in the middle of the street and burn it. Put the entire town to the torch as a burnt offering to the LORD your God. That town must remain a ruin forever; it may never be rebuilt. (Deuteronomy 13:13-19 NLT)


Yeah, they sound like a very tolerant bunch of people.

 

[RhymnRzn]

Suppose you hear in one of the towns the LORD your God is giving you that some worthless rabble among you have led their fellow citizens astray by encouraging them to worship foreign gods. In such cases, you must examine the facts carefully. If you find it is true and can prove that such a detestable act has occurred among you, you must attack that town and completely destroy all its inhabitants, as well as all the livestock. Then you must pile all the plunder in the middle of the street and burn it. Put the entire town to the torch as a burnt offering to the LORD your God. That town must remain a ruin forever; it may never be rebuilt. (Deuteronomy 13:13-19 NLT)



Yeah, they sound like a very tolerant bunch of people.

Not that NLT is in the same voice, sense, and word as the KJV either, but............ In spirit, spiritually, and in time of glorification, the same judgement against idolatry and falsehood is brought to pass.

 

[Yossarian]

That god the Hebrews invented sounds like a bit of a cunt by all accounts, they’d have been far better off sticking with the graven images.

 

[danny la rouge]

"My arms are killing me. When I get back they'd better not be worshipping a shiny cow again, that's all I can say!"

 

[Yossarian]

Instead of all that endless squabbling about Jehovah, Yahweh, and Allah, the Middle East would be miles better off if they’d had the sense to stick with the shiny cow.

 

[RhymnRzn]

That god the Hebrews invented sounds like a bit of a cunt by all accounts, they’d have been far better off sticking with the graven images.

Dead works instead of living? talk about slavery.

Psalm 119:126

It is time for thee, LORD, to work: for they have made void thy law. (v.127) Therefore I love thy commandments above gold; yea, above fine gold. (v.128) Therefore I esteem all thy precepts concerning all things to be right; and I hate every false way. (v.129) Thy testimonies are wonderful: therefore doth my soul keep them. (v.130) The entrance of thy words giveth light; it giveth understanding unto the simple.

 

[Yossarian]

I’m sure when whatever believer wrote that Psalm decided he loved the commandments more than gold, there was no shortage of ‘holy men’ offering to find a use for that gold that would make his god happy…

 

[danny la rouge]

Instead of all that endless squabbling about Jehovah, Yahweh, and Allah, the Middle East would be miles better off if they’d had the sense to stick with the shiny cow.

Maybe Jehovah's a cow. I mean, have you seen any pictures? And if he is, could you make cheese from his milk?

(NB God is neither male nor female, so the milk query is a good point of debate).

 

[Yossarian]

You could be onto something there – and if turning water into wine counts as a miracle, turning grass into milk must be up there too!

 

[danny la rouge]

LOL! I don't know what I expected, but look what Google turned up:

http://www.godscheese.com/

 

[Yossarian]

Eccch, that’s just wrong – I don’t know who the hell is behind that operation but they’re certainly not People of the Cow!

 

[frogwoman]

I dont know