does education have any indictation of intelligence?
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kyser_soze
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ViolentPanda said:
That pretty much sums it up, altho I'd widen the concept of 'education' to include Twisted Angel's idea about 'life skills' - the ability to filter experience into useful stuff, as well as 'book knowledge'...
twisted_angel
If in doubt.. mumble.
In the cat!Citizen66 said:Made perfect sense to me now where's my dinner!
'Intelligence' as a single notion is horseshit IMO.
Was I 'intelligent' when getting solid firsts but knowingly drinking myself to death? Was that an 'intelligent' thing to be doing?
There are so many definitions and facets of 'intelligence' that IMO it's mistaken to look at it as a single 'thing'.
If I keep on doing things that I know are harmful to me (or to others), if I can't understand people, if people can't understand me, if I'm an utter tool - then who gives a toss if I know the square root of 1,345,657,215,859 without having to use a calculator? Or can quote Joyce, Pynchon, Wordsworth, Blah and provide An Incisive Critique Ov Thee Arts And Literererererature In Gennerall?
Some kinds of 'intelligence' are also - IMO - often used to mask a lack of other intelligences. I used to use big words and the bullshit intelligence of words and numbers to keep people distanced from my complete failings in social intelligence, self-awareness, and 'behavioural' intelligence (a cop-out way of saying uncontrollable alcohol and / or drug use. Which is undeniably not the cleverest thing in the world).
Others use social intelligence to mask other kinds of intelligence, and tbh I think I'd far rather meet someone who'd got great social intelligence but isn't the brightest wordy / numerical tool in the box; than someone who knows how to use a semi-colon and the square root of umpteen bazillion, but who is a wasted, addled, wordy bullshitter.
These days, I reckon I'd cross the road at a hundred paces to avoid the unbelievably bland 'intellect' of the me of yesteryear. I would rather meet a person than whatever show of pretentious blather they wish to flash in my direction; I'd rather meet someone genuine than have their intellect, knowledgeability and godlike command of facts, figures and shite shown off in my general direction *shudders*
Not to say that I don't still do that sometimes, ha, but I'm getting better
*owns own stuff, ha*
Was I 'intelligent' when getting solid firsts but knowingly drinking myself to death? Was that an 'intelligent' thing to be doing?
There are so many definitions and facets of 'intelligence' that IMO it's mistaken to look at it as a single 'thing'.
If I keep on doing things that I know are harmful to me (or to others), if I can't understand people, if people can't understand me, if I'm an utter tool - then who gives a toss if I know the square root of 1,345,657,215,859 without having to use a calculator? Or can quote Joyce, Pynchon, Wordsworth, Blah and provide An Incisive Critique Ov Thee Arts And Literererererature In Gennerall?
Some kinds of 'intelligence' are also - IMO - often used to mask a lack of other intelligences. I used to use big words and the bullshit intelligence of words and numbers to keep people distanced from my complete failings in social intelligence, self-awareness, and 'behavioural' intelligence (a cop-out way of saying uncontrollable alcohol and / or drug use. Which is undeniably not the cleverest thing in the world).
Others use social intelligence to mask other kinds of intelligence, and tbh I think I'd far rather meet someone who'd got great social intelligence but isn't the brightest wordy / numerical tool in the box; than someone who knows how to use a semi-colon and the square root of umpteen bazillion, but who is a wasted, addled, wordy bullshitter.
These days, I reckon I'd cross the road at a hundred paces to avoid the unbelievably bland 'intellect' of the me of yesteryear. I would rather meet a person than whatever show of pretentious blather they wish to flash in my direction; I'd rather meet someone genuine than have their intellect, knowledgeability and godlike command of facts, figures and shite shown off in my general direction *shudders*
Not to say that I don't still do that sometimes, ha, but I'm getting better
*owns own stuff, ha*
its all down to maths and imagination as i said earlier IMO. Never what you read or anything. And concepts that have a beginning, middle and an end usually work with me, like a proper story. i like random art and particularly random words, cos thats how i express it myself and prefer emblems and symbols, to express those concepts, i kind of sincerely tried on my emblems thread but i suppose if you dont think that way it takes too long to explain them.
LilMissHissyFit
Disturbed in a pink bra
Citizen66 said:Made perfect sense to me now where's my dinner!
It may do but it doesnt mean anyone else understands it
Admit it Cheesy, you arent a journalist... your lack of reading and writing skills gives you away. Who do you write for exactly? the sun?
LilMissHissyFit said:
lol
talk about the thread topic. Probing me about this makes you sound like a kid in a playground, or a bitter person, jealous or bitter about someone...say what you want.....i wont read it anyways, hehe g'nite
LilMissHissyFit said:
If you want pure intelligence hissyfit I'd wipe the floor with you. I may act the joker but hit me on any subject and it's nothing to do with wanky cod analysis it's reaching the correct conclusion that can't be debated as it's flawless.
Give it a whirl
yeah you need some intelligence to get a degree, but I believe that people can grow their brains or the opposite to shrink them, especially if they were lazy enough.
I think curious minds are the most intelligent, and I think people who are passionate about something are the most successful. But then again, preferences and level of curiousity are all innate, in the end its a nature versus nurture debate, never a black and a white conclusion, but lots lots of grey.
So to answer your questions, it gives a general view that a person has some intelligence or intelligence gained of the subject majored in and I do agree lack of education does not imply lack of intelligence, probably it could imply things like not being ambitious, laziness, disturbedness, depression, hyperactiveness and feeling the need to run all the time , or it could also mean, lack of intelligence too.
but i believe, everyone is born with something special to give to this world.
Also, trying to top everybody else, does also show survival of the fittest kind of intelligence, so yeah people with PHDs I consider them intelligent.
I think curious minds are the most intelligent, and I think people who are passionate about something are the most successful. But then again, preferences and level of curiousity are all innate, in the end its a nature versus nurture debate, never a black and a white conclusion, but lots lots of grey.
So to answer your questions, it gives a general view that a person has some intelligence or intelligence gained of the subject majored in and I do agree lack of education does not imply lack of intelligence, probably it could imply things like not being ambitious, laziness, disturbedness, depression, hyperactiveness and feeling the need to run all the time
, or it could also mean, lack of intelligence too.but i believe, everyone is born with something special to give to this world.
Also, trying to top everybody else, does also show survival of the fittest kind of intelligence, so yeah people with PHDs I consider them intelligent.
LilMissHissyFit
Disturbed in a pink bra
Citizen66 said:If you want pure intelligence hissyfit I'd wipe the floor with you. I may act the joker but hit me on any subject and it's nothing to do with wanky cod analysis it's reaching the correct conclusion that can't be debated as it's flawless.
Give it a whirl
Oh get over yourself...
I actually think cheesy has a decent topic for debate here just hasnt presented a coherent argument thanks to poor writing rather than because she has nothing to say- hence me asking who exactly she writes for.
So Im glad you understand it, good for you. Its a shame the topic hasnt yet had the airing it deserves- cheesy clearly has something to say.
As an aside how do you, personally view your claim of 'pure' intelligence. What is it exactly?
The more money spent on education, the more intelligent that person is. Proportional, and proven.
equationgirl
Respect my existence or expect my resistance
sam/phallocrat said:
Is there a source for that sam?
It's just that I went to a comprehensive state school and went on to gain a phd, yet your statement implies that as money was not spent on the earlier part of my education, I am not as intelligent as someone with a phd whose parents paid for them to be privately educated.
I don't believe that is the case.
LilMissHissyFit
Disturbed in a pink bra
If it were true everyone emerging from the most expensive private schools( eton etc) would be einstein and those from state schools would be verging on retarded on a £ for £ basis
ViolentPanda
Hardly getting over it.
LilMissHissyFit said:
Journalists don't have to have reading and writing skills nowadays, just ideas for articles, access to a good sub and the ability to tongue management arse (not my opinion, btw, but the opinion of a friend who worked for the Sunday Torygraph for nearly 30 years).
ATOMIC SUPLEX
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Er?Cheesypoof said:
If you are not educated by anything you might not turn out all that clever.
Sounds to me like someone didn't do to well in their GCSE's
LilMissHissyFit said:
thanks lilmiss' i dont mind if you dont like my writing it IS all over the place - i agree. I try very hard all time time, though and just let it blurt on here...i have to be all astute with it all day, so when i come on here it goes haywire....like shards of shrapnel..
ATOMIC SUPLEX said:
nah i got 5As and 5Bs.
sorry couldnt resist
equationgirl said:
The source is the facts. With facts, you can prove anything.
equationgirl
Respect my existence or expect my resistance
It would be nice if you replied to the point I made. But never mind.
Unfortunately, the first point I made was in no way serious, therefore me trying to respond to any of your points would be a totally redundant exercise. Mea culpa etc, I'm off to the pub.
equationgirl
Respect my existence or expect my resistance
*hands sam a large wooden spoon for the next thread*
equationgirl said:
sorry, u talk,ing to me? if you copy it i will
equationgirl - for what it is worth i think u are highly intelligent actually, i mean. everyone does, and anyone who wouldnt on here is stupid.... and i like your ideas that i have read over threads on urban a lot tbh.... just shoot me a few....if you have any on this subject, because i am moving more towards the pursuit of the 'idea'.....what do you reckon?
kyser_soze said:
Well there's not such a stark difference as she may think is there. It's all about the acquisition of knowledge and developing the ability to apply it. Knowledge can come from many sources. Perhaps intelegence itself is more to do with how you apply what you know and predict likely outcomes to your actions.
e2a
For clarity. Quoted your post as I agreed.
bluestreak said:
Points of interest to you, on topics of interest to you, at least - chances are you aren't well versed in their particular interest (if they are as academic as you say), and you perhaps wouldn't be of interest to them either?
Besides, there are many reasons why people may limit their range of expression on here. It is very difficult to convey tone - for example, personally, I withhold many of my more strongly-held opinions as it is so difficult to express them without the sentiment being misconstrued. I'm not a shit-stirrer, but that doesn't necessarily mean I have nothing to say. It just means I usually try to consider how things could come across before blaring my opinions out, foghorn-style. Inevitably, the result looks watered-down, but that's why I discuss most of the things I'm really interested in offline!
Apart from that, I believe that education can improve the abilities of anyone, no matter what level of 'inherent' intelligence they started off with - it can help you make the most of your natural abilities. Much of this can come from the ancillary aspects of formal education, such as interacting with others of a better academic standard than yourself and being exposed to people from other social backgrounds - you learn from other people, as well as from the textbooks. However, formal education isn't the only route towards intellectual self-improvement, and those without formal education should never be looked down upon for that reason.
sam/phallocrat said:
You can pay what you want on education if the student can't profit from what he gets thaught all the money in the world can't change that.
On the other hand a low(er) quality of formal education doesn't prevent anyone to upgrade that with self-study. Maybe it shall ask for a bit more effort and/or a longer period of time, but the end result shall be the same if the intellectual capacity is avaiblable.
salaam.
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