does education have any indictation of intelligence?

[Kanda]

What do you mean by education???

Plenty of very intelligent people around with zero qualifications etc...

Plenty of people around that aren't very intelligent with a fuckton of certificates/exams etc...

vice versa etc...

 

[Numbers]

I consider myself rather intelligent, yet I left school just after my 14th birthday with absolutely no qualifications, a history of horrible report cards mostly for disruption, a juvenile conviction for burning part of the school down, a cpl of expulsions, and prob' a dozen suspensions under my belt.

So I'm definitely not educated academically.

fwiw.

 

[Treacle Toes]

I believe you can be academically intelligent and capable but that doesn't really mean you are intelligent in the wider sense of the word.....some of the most intelligent people are not academically qualified past secondary school.

 

[Relahni]

left school at 14 also. Fuck all qualifications. Ended up at uni doing better than public school kids. Helped out with lectures and stuff.

Not sure if I'd class myself as intelligent tbh? Did shite at school did well at uni.

horses for courses I guess?

 

[ViolentPanda]

does education have any indication of intelligence?

NO in my opinion!!!!!

never, ever, its pretty much my strongly heldest view.

what do you think?

I think that your sub-editor must be fucking knackered by the end of the week.

Education teaches you stuff, intelligence can allow you to use and synthesise the stuff you learn.

 

[ViolentPanda]

I believe you can be academically intelligent and capable but that doesn't really mean you are intelligent in the wider sense of the word.....some of the most intelligent people are not academically qualified past secondary school.

yep, I know quite a few people with good academic qualifications and not an ounce of common-sense or savvy.

 

[Fruitloop]

They used to get called 'tuals' at university. Intellectuals, but without the intellect bit.

 

[equationgirl]

Or 'tools' I suspect, fruitloop.

 

[Jonti]

I think you're both utterly wrong. At most it's a facet of intelligence, even so it's a tenuous one for the standard interpretation of intelligence (ie processing speed). Then again it's all down to hair splitting semantics anyway and i'm off to bed.

Well, yeah, being quick is a lot of what it's about, for people to think one smart. But quick to what?

 

[Cloo]

No, I don't think so, but then I've always thought about being 'intelligent' and being 'educated' as quite different things. I've met educated but uninitelligent people, and I have several mates who have had a shite or short education, but are very bright.

I take people as they come over to me, really, in terms of intelligence.

 

[twisted_angel]

It depends on how you define intelligence.... i am not " educated" but i wish i was.... i would love to know what certain words mean... understand history, politics, science..things that some people take for granted...but i have friends who are well educated but lack " life " skills and are pretty naive about life itself and have no common sense.

Life brings one source of intelligence and education another...they are both different.

Though this probably makes no sense to anyone else but me because im thick!

 

[snorbury]

The bright kids get kicked out of school early, they can't put up with the authoritarianism. The other kids stay on and do well in uni etc, they go on to be departmental leaders, with nervous dispositions in tow. It's because people like this are in positions of power that the system doesn't collapse, and the bright kids turn to other pursuits other than rat power

 

[bluestreak]

The bright kids get kicked out of school early, they can't put up with the authoritarianism. The other kids stay on and do well in uni etc, they go on to be departmental leaders, with nervous dispositions in tow. It's because people like this are in positions of power that the system doesn't collapse, and the bright kids turn to other pursuits other than rat power

not really sure that's true at all.

 

[Shippou-Sensei]

not really sure that's true at all.

ditto

 

[maes]

nah you need schoolin to have teh smarts

 

[EastEnder]

I can waggle my ears and flare my nostrils at the same time.

 

[Aldebaran]

It depends on how you define intelligence.... i am not " educated" but i wish i was.... i would love to know what certain words mean... understand history, politics, science..

You can always start reading.

Life brings one source of intelligence and education another...they are both different.

More likely is that life offers one source of development and experience, and education an other. Which doesn't need to imply that the first excludes the latter or vice-versa.

salaam.

 

[Aldebaran]

.../... a juvenile conviction for burning part of the school down .../...

Sorry, couldn't help laughing

salaam.

 

[Cheesypoof]

what has that to do with education?

Nothing, which is exactly why I dont think you need an education to be intelligent.

 

[rhys gethin]

Sorry, couldn't help laughing

salaam.

I was too dim to get mine to light!

 

[Agent Sparrow]

I think to do post graduate qualifications (or at least pass them) you at least need to have some form of intelligence, even if that intelligence is very specified to academia. But as others have said, intelligence has many different facets and everyone knows the stereotype of the professor who has zero common sense! And of course as has been said many times, there are many very bright people who have little in the way of formal qualification.

Confidence is an important thing in relation to the manifestation of that intelligence though. If you have no confidence* then you may never really discover the full extent of your intelligence. Social learning is also important. My mum on first meeting probably seems quite dumb - if you get to know her though it's evident she's got a sharp, logical, problem solving mind. I think due to her upbringing she grew up with messages which reduced her confidence and also made "acting intelligent" undesirable.

*and I mean genuinely have no confidence, as opposed to perfectionist types who are very self critical but who also have really high standards for themselves and knowledge on some level that they can achieve them

 

[EastEnder]

I got a lollipop for learning the alphabet.

 

[quimcunx]

no offence cheesy but if you're a journalist how come I can never understand your thread questions.

does education have any indictation of intelligence?

Are you asking if there is any evidence that the education system has intelligence? Or Does attaining a certain level of education indicate a particular level of intelligence? Or Does undergoing an education affect one's intelligence? Or does the particular education route (public or state) affect one's intelligence? Or Is it necessary to have a certain degree of intelligence to attain certain educational qualifications. Or Is someone who has attained a certain level of education also expected to have 'common sense' when it comes to dealing with every day things? Or Does a lack of academic qualifications indicate a lack of intelligence? Or Is a degree/A-level/PHD etc proof of intelligence?

 

[equationgirl]

Top post, papingo

 

[Cheesypoof]

Top post, papingo

i wish you had something useful to say for once, but i have no thoughts on your opinions really, nothing you say speaks to me.

 

[Cheesypoof]

no offence cheesy but if you're a journalist how come I can never understand your thread questions.

does education have any indictation of intelligence?

Are you asking if there is any evidence that the education system has intelligence? Or Does attaining a certain level of education indicate a particular level of intelligence? Or Does undergoing an education affect one's intelligence? Or does the particular education route (public or state) affect one's intelligence? Or Is it necessary to have a certain degree of intelligence to attain certain educational qualifications. Or Is someone who has attained a certain level of education also expected to have 'common sense' when it comes to dealing with every day things? Or Does a lack of academic qualifications indicate a lack of intelligence? Or Is a degree/A-level/PHD etc proof of intelligence?

no I answered my thread question a few posts ago - this isnt a top post either, its all over the place.

 

[equationgirl]

i wish you had something useful to say for once, but i have no thoughts on your opinions really, nothing you say speaks to me.

Really? Well, I wish you could be bothered to form coherent sentences in your posts instead of your streams of consciousness.

And that was an extremely valid post by papingo who made the excellent point that your opening post was ambiguous and that what you wrote could be construed many ways.

I have lots of useful things to say, you don't appear to want to pay attention to anything useful though.

 

[Cheesypoof]

Really? Well, I wish you could be bothered to form coherent sentences in your posts instead of your streams of consciousness.

And that was an extremely valid post by papingo who made the excellent point that your opening post was ambiguous and that what you wrote could be construed many ways.

I have lots of useful things to say, you don't appear to want to pay attention to anything useful though.

Okay i know i dont filter what I say and i should..... I think the communication is obvious but thats just the way i express my thoughts in my unfiltered writing. i dont filter anything on here, and i dont have much interest in the practical. i've taken ten planes in the past two weeks without much sleep either so aint making sense now....up at 4am i really have to go

 

[equationgirl]

Then start filtering stuff, cheesy, especially if you know you should be and you're not - then you won't get tons of posters saying 'it's really unclear what you mean'.

A lack of structure in your writing and poor grammar make your posts very difficult to follow.

You may think what you are communicating is clear, but surely by now it is obvious that most of time it isn't.

 

[ViolentPanda]

no I answered my thread question a few posts ago - this isnt a top post either, its all over the place.

Cheesy, re-read your OP and then decide whether there might be a degree of "pot-kettle-sooty arse" going on here.

Your OP reads like a car crash. It's the kind of thing sub-eds copy to all their sub-ed mates to give them a laugh; poor sentence construction, misspellings, incoherence, the lot.

Judge not, lest ye be judged, eh?