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Does 10th Planet Spell Doom for Astrology??

3 out yes, but in a solar system of 9 planets. So they'll be heading in completely the wrong direction. They'll be delivering to the right number but the wrong street iyswim.
 
Apparently this newly discovered planet is not a proper planet at all. Indeed Pluto is also thought to be less than a planet. They're both in between a planet and an asteroid. A planetoid perhaps?
 
nino_savatte said:
Apparently this newly discovered planet is not a proper planet at all. Indeed Pluto is also thought to be less than a planet. They're both in between a planet and an asteroid. A planetoid perhaps?
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Pluto's really only a planet for cultural/historical reasons. There's no scientific definition of what a planet is, and it seems the latest finds aren't going to be "officially" considered planets.
 
I've done your forecast for today Pickmans.

You could feel like soaking up some creative vibes today, Pickman's Model. Maybe you will want to see a movie that you've heard great things about. There could be an actor, writer, or director whose work you are especially interested in. Maybe their creations inspire you or make you feel good. Don't hesitate to surround yourself with imaginative, uplifting energy. Your mind might be recharged as you get swept into another reality.

Am I right or am I right?
 
Pluto [the dog] was named after the planet which was discovered in 1930, the same year that the character was launched.
 
It's named after a Greek god I think. According to Futurama, it gets renamed to something not embarassing in the year 3000.

Urectum.
 
Thing is squegee, all your talk of the collective unconciousness, the naming of pluto/plutonium etc has more to do with Western science's tradition of using Greek and Roman mythology to name stuff - AFAIK there aren't any universal names for the planets between cultures, and altho I'm not sure, plutonium is probably called somethign different in Chinese for example (and I mean actual different, not just a Chinese version of the English), so it all kinda falls down.

I agree with the idea of a human consciosness in principle - but then I also believe in the concept of genetic memory as well as a theory that science can't prove or disprove because the language, testing equipment etc hasn't been invented yet.
 
If you believe in astrology or any of that mince (palm reading, tarot, tea-leaves, ouiji boards, crystals, christianity) read some Richard Dawkins or Francis Wheen's book 'How Mumbo-Jumbo Conquered the World' and, trust me, you will feel a proper charlie after.
 
William of Walworth said:
Check this site out, astrobollocksspoutingloonspuds!!!
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I've visited this site (skeptics' dictionary) a few times. It is full of narrow-minded bollocks, and uses the same techniques of distortion, deletion and generalisation it accuses astrologists of. So that's a waste of time. As are your pathetic attempts to show me that your weight of reality is so convincing, and that only your evidence is acceptable evidence and that evidence that YOU deem to be unworthy is not acceptable. Yeah, that's balanced, isn't it.

And no, the knowledge of astrology and the like are not the privilege of a select few. Only those with enough humility to learn something by actually taking the time to understand it, rather than assume you know best.

You guys, in the same way you attack conspiracy threads (yeah, I'm a Dr Jazzz, Bigfish and Fela Fan :D), seem to believe that, by accusing us of thinking ourselves to be somehow the posessors of special knowledge, you are uncovering some delusional state as our main drive. It seems you suffer from the very thing you accuse us of. Since your belief has no foundation on truth, only prejudice you are the ones under the delusion.

It's like the "belief" in atheism. How can someone know that God (or the conscious creative principle to give a more modern definition of the source) doesn't exist unless they know everything there is to know about the universe and beyond. Without all the knowledge in, it would be mere speculation. Which is what it is. And if you knew everything, well you would be God then wouldn't you? A ridiculous belief that doesn't stand up to scrutiny. But the prevelant view of our secular society. And you wonder why we have problems in this world.

And by the way, EVERYTHING is a belief system. NOTHING can be proven to 100% accuracy. Or perhaps you'd like to challenge that, and then I might mention quantum physics, which will get you spluttering all over again, that I, a lowly serf, should dare speak about such an esoteric subject without having attained the right degree of knowledge in the company of the high priests of mechanistic science. Just who is the real elitist here?

Some beliefs work better than others. Mechanistic science has prevailed for the last 200 years or so. It was necessary to our evolution as a species. But it is as limited in its scope as your attachment to it is and must be superceded. And not by reverting to the past but by re-interpreting the mystical knowledge of the past in a modern context after hundreds of years of repression, which you and your ilk represent by your absolute conviction that you can judge something without opening, not just your mind, but your heart as well. Maybe an alien concept to you, but that's all you need to understand. Not some special knowedge as you keep suggesting.

I'm not the one who thinks they know it all. That would be you. And making up ridiculous words probably has you guffawing like a donkey on laughing gas, but it doesn't make you right. You somehow think that the mere invention of a ridiculous word is somehow a magic wand that will drive these truths away. It is not.

More and more people are using astrology (and that makes you angrier than me, admit it) because it explains the workings of their unconscious drives better than any stuffy psychiatrist ever could, tapping into the creative part of our brain, the bit that deals in colour, metaphor and symbol. You know, the fun bits, the profound bits, not the "square" bits of form, and distance and time and space that mechanistic science deals with.

The irrational cannot be proved by rational means, and neither is it inferior to the rational, only different. Two sides of the same coin. Like Yin and Yang, the universal balance of the Tao, another ancient philosophy that the smug skeptics' dictionary thinks it has undermined with its pathetically inept logic.

But true knowledge, the knowledge of the heart, is beyond both the rational and irrational and is available to all. At least astrology attempts to understand it. And when it errs you stand up like rabid munchkins and decry the whole system. Pathetic. It is available TO ALL. But it requires a degree of humility. Astrology works on concepts that are metaphysical so how can evidence based reality "prove" it in with physical evidence when it is metaphysical? And if you know so much about Greek, look up meta and try and keep up.

You don't lack the intelligence obviously. You, like many others are just clouded by prejudice and that blinds you to the reality that astrology works as a system of defining our consciousness (you know that thing that YOUR rational science refuses to acknowledge exists and thus ignores) and its interconnectedness to the universe. On a totally different plane to 2+2=4.

And by the way:

Astrology=Astronomy + All the good bits that explain why it's all there, but were taken out by the narrow minded puritans of the previous two hundred years or so....

You see how it adds up???? I doubt it

I'm not saying rationalism is bollocks. Only the belief (and that's what it is, a belief) that that is all there is, that is bollocks. And enough progressive scientists are already reaching that conclusion, but are obviously being held back by this tiresome and narrow-minded paradigm of thought, only 200-300 years old, that is destroying this planet. These open-minded, and open-hearted scientists, are leaving the dark ages. Don't you think its time you put your prejudices and smugness to one side and do the same?

I'm not holding my breath :)
 
personally I belive that tiny japanese fighting robots run the internet and bring me free pizza. thats an irrational belief :p .
I always thought people who belived in star signs were just hippys.
YOU actually belive this bollocks I'm not sure If I should pity you or fear you?
you probably belive in "energy fields and crystals"
personally and this is just a bigoted view irrational nutters should be denied access to the internet use your mystical network of ley lines instead :mad:
some people belive in UFOs I belive in AEROPLANES :mad:
 
likesfish said:
personally I belive that tiny japanese fighting robots run the internet and bring me free pizza. thats an irrational belief :p .
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Except you don't. You're just using it to make a stupid point.

I always thought people who belived in star signs were just hippys.
YOU actually belive this bollocks I'm not sure If I should pity you or fear you?
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I am and they do as well. Have you ever encountered one who says, "actually I'm just a hippy, I don't really believe in this at all"? You must try harder mate.

And of course, by all means, fear me. Then get angry and get out the bail of hay, tie me to a pole, light a match and watch me burn, just like your lot used to do in the middle ages. Bet you long for those halcyon days

you probably believe in "energy fields and crystals"
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Wow, you must be psychic. Amazing deductive reasoning

personally and this is just a bigoted view irrational nutters should be denied access to the internet use your mystical network of ley lines instead :mad:
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Yes it is bigoted. Self-analysis as well. Unfortunately open-minded people can deal in both the rational and irrational. I doubt you understand properly the concept of the irrational. Or of probability. Not surprising.


Some people belive in UFOs I belive in AEROPLANES :mad:
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I believe in aeroplanes. And they don't work 100% of the time do they now. Does that make them irrational?

I also do not discount the possibility of alien life, which is what I assume you are implying. You obviously don't believe that flying objects that cannot be identified, but are seen, exist. Now that's irrational. Don't worry it's ok to be irrational as well. You are human. And fallible. But very closed minded I'm afraid :rolleyes:
 
actually it was the irrational types who went round burning people at the stake your lot I belive.
Irrational unreasonable illogical not endowned with reason.
there may be UFO's but making the leap to them being vistors from outer space is a big one.
There is nothing but matter , forces , space and time.
the rest is wishful thinking and madness.
 
likesfish said:
actually it was the irrational types who went round burning people at the stake your lot I belive. Irrational unreasonable illogical not endowned with reason.
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Which is what you demonstrate by prejudging something without attempting to understand it. The witchfinder generals, though puritan religious types, find their equivalence in today's advocates of mechanistic science, which reason has shown to be limited in its explanation of the universe

There may be UFO's but making the leap to them being vistors from outer space is a big one.
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Which is why I didn't make that leap. Only spoke of the possibility, rather than reject it out of hand.


There is nothing but matter , forces , space and time. The rest is wishful thinking and madness.
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So colour, metaphor and symbolic representation is just wishful thinking and madness? Really, saying such things is just so tiresome. You say something which you know yourself not to be true, simply cos it would hurt too much to acknowledge that the points I have made are reasonable. And that makes you dishonest as well as wrong.

But wishful thinking and madness, fruitloop, conspiraloon, dangerous to society, yada, yada, yada....same old, tiresome story. Astrology has value. But then since you only deal matter, forces, space and time, you cannot discuss the meaning of value. You cannot discuss meaning. In fact you should not be able to write since language is a symbolic representation of thought.

I'd be willing to have a serious debate on this. But then, that's not what this thread's about is it? Pat yourself on the back. Go on, add another one. it's my fault cos I'm always under the impression that with language and reason some understanding can be reached. But bigotry is bigotry. And that's not a cheap shot. It's plain fact.

You must be...a Virgo....no wait...a.. Capricorn...no...come to think of it...a Taurean..a Gemini? Scorpio? Sagittarian? Leo? Aries? Aquarian? Cancerian? Piscean? Maybe a Libran...see I knew I was right

And furthermore, cos I'm a psychic I know what you're gonna say next so I'll just respond in advance

Whatever you say master baiter
:o :o :o
 
squeegee said:
So colour, metaphor and symbolic representation is just wishful thinking and madness? Really, saying such things is just so tiresome. You say something which you know yourself not to be true, simply cos it would hurt too much to acknowledge that the points I have made are reasonable. And that makes you dishonest as well as wrong.
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Metaphor and symbolic representation are human constructs. Colour is modelled accurately by Science. This has nothing to do with astrology but maybe coherent ramblings is as equally valid as the narrowness of empirical investigation . The fact is there is no demonstratable link between the positions planets and our lives as astrologer's describe.
Can you cite any empirical investigation which has shown this with measurements?
What mechanism is there for this? By what force do the planets affect us?
Any known force is either beyond the range of the planets or would be completely dominated by the Sun and/or Moon
What precisely affects us and why is it only limited to visible bodies?
What accurate predictions has astrology made (beyond an unspecified 10th planet)

ASTROLOGY = BAD ASTRONOMY more like
No doubt he's another narrow minded scientist who is unnecessarily restrained by logical though processes
 
sorry you can't have a serious debate about astrology because its barking :D
Astrology isn't of much value to mankind just because its been around for thousands of years so was slavery and death in childbirth they won't be missed never will astorlogy
certain germans rather rather keen on astrology as well (neatly sidestepping godwins law :D )
 
Weeeellll....

I was a traditional hard-line "astrology is bullshit" scientist but, I'm afraid to say, I've met too many astrologists who have an uncanny grasp on things that they really ought not to have a grasp on. They essentially use it as a reality map - a series of archetypes that can be superimposed over a chaotic situation (eg: a personality, a country, an age) to describe some of the dynamics that cause it to be the way it is.

This much I don't have a problem with - we all use reality maps, they're useful - they fray at the edges, they don't work 100% and they can affect the underlieing terrain, but they're still useful. What I don't get is how planetary positions at birth link to essentially human characteristics. I can't see a physical means for this happening - gravity is inversely proportional to the square of distance - these are very weak forces we're talking about here.

That said, apparently we live in a universe of 11 dimensions and are only capable of experiencing 3 1/2 ... so what the fuck do I (or any of us) know.
 
And you should all know that Mercury is Retrograde....so communication sucks right about now, and if your computer and/or other electronics are acting up you can all blame Mercury....which by the way goes "direct" next week sometime (I think)....
 
belboid said:
one hopes he hen sacked himself for his own poor grammar.
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i know i shouldn't laugh, but...( :D )
(-don't throw stones when you sit in a glass house, mate... ;) )
 
Squeegee, I haven't got a scooby what you're on about, mate, but you don't half write nice. It was a real pleasure to read all that bollocks, and for a moment there you almost had me believing :)
 
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