Does 10th Planet Spell Doom for Astrology??
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In the '80s Kelvin Mckenzie sacked the Sun's astrologer with the immortal opening line 'As you are no doubt are already aware...'
P.S 'The Rise and Fall of The Sun' is a great read and McKenzie even bigger scumball than I realised - mentalist horrible twat but interesting.
Sorry, back to astology - apparently books on it outsell astronomy by about 10-1. Is there any hope?
P.S 'The Rise and Fall of The Sun' is a great read and McKenzie even bigger scumball than I realised - mentalist horrible twat but interesting.
Sorry, back to astology - apparently books on it outsell astronomy by about 10-1. Is there any hope?
kyser_soze
Hawking's Angry Eyebrow
Batley said:
Met him a few times and he was always funny. Also know a lot of people who have worked with/for him who reckon that you're either a Kelvin person or not - if you're not yr fucked, if you are you'll be fine.
Two pages of smug smartarse answers from the usual fuckwits who somehow think they are backing rational science by taking the piss out of astrology.
Tell me smartarses, when a new scientific theory is discovered that rejects previous theories, do we say that that discredits all of science? Astrology is only about prediction in the same way that meteorology is. But when a weatherman gets the weather wrong you don't reject meteorology.
Oh yeah, meteorology is based on precise scientific data. So is astrology, except astrologers do what mystics and philosophers throughout the ages do, and what square-brained rationalist fuckwits seem incapable of doing. Namely search for meaning underlying material reality.
Correspondences between objects and ideas, associations of symbolic meaning of objects and ideas, which correspond to the inner workings of the psyche. As above, so below. Yeah, you know, the emotional drives that modern science can only understand in terms of electrical sparks and chemical reactions, human qualities which mainstream science ignores and pretends are not there because its narrow definition of reality cannot encompass it. What is consciousness to modern hard science? Don't know. Our rationlism can't explain it, so let's pretend it's not there.
Astrology was discredited in the 17th century, was it?. You wish. Oh, how you must decry these poor deluded people who are turning more and more to spiritual and metaphysical explanations of this increasingly chaotic world that modern science struggles in vain to explain.
95% of the universe dark matter. Scientific explanation: don't know. 95% of DNA, science can't determine a use for. Conclusion: call it "junk" DNA. Yeah that seems a logical explanation. Could it be that rational science is somehow lacking some element and is too damned arrogant to accept it?
Each discovery of a new planet (Uranus, Neptune and Pluto) corresponded with major events of the time. I've explained this on these boards before and I curse myself for getting baited by you narrow-minded people once again. But you really have no clue what you're talking about and your arrogance with it makes it even more exasperating. Try reading the history of science before the last two hundred years. Sacred geometry, alchemy ("Father of Modern Science" Isaac Newton's main body of work) before casting something down, simply cos you feel no one would dare challenge your primacy of thought.
The 10th planet has been talked about for years in astrological circles, and even if it hadn't it doesn't discredit it. Astrology will just adapt and move on, in the same way that all science does when faced with a new discovery.
Try reading about the precession of the equinoxes (we now face the constellation of Aquarius, hence the Age of Aquarius. Not a dated seventies tv show, but a precise scientific analysis of the position of our planet in this galaxy, and moreover an interpretation of what this means to us, humanity, as a whole, the superconscious of Freud.
Try understanding how an ancient culture like tha Maya could so accurately measure time and the position of this planet in relation to the galaxy, before gargantuan telescopes were invented, and why their precise calculations of the movements of this planet reaches it's zenith or nadir, depending on how you look at it, on Dec 21st 2012.
And then try to show some humility in the face of knowledge that far exceeds your own, or mine for that matter.
And before you state the obvious, I'm no better than you for reacting like a wounded animal.......but when you insult someone's work and passion you can hardly expect any other response.
You simply have no idea and your fundamentalist ignorance is embarassing and enraging
Tell me smartarses, when a new scientific theory is discovered that rejects previous theories, do we say that that discredits all of science? Astrology is only about prediction in the same way that meteorology is. But when a weatherman gets the weather wrong you don't reject meteorology.
Oh yeah, meteorology is based on precise scientific data. So is astrology, except astrologers do what mystics and philosophers throughout the ages do, and what square-brained rationalist fuckwits seem incapable of doing. Namely search for meaning underlying material reality.
Correspondences between objects and ideas, associations of symbolic meaning of objects and ideas, which correspond to the inner workings of the psyche. As above, so below. Yeah, you know, the emotional drives that modern science can only understand in terms of electrical sparks and chemical reactions, human qualities which mainstream science ignores and pretends are not there because its narrow definition of reality cannot encompass it. What is consciousness to modern hard science? Don't know. Our rationlism can't explain it, so let's pretend it's not there.
Astrology was discredited in the 17th century, was it?. You wish. Oh, how you must decry these poor deluded people who are turning more and more to spiritual and metaphysical explanations of this increasingly chaotic world that modern science struggles in vain to explain.
95% of the universe dark matter. Scientific explanation: don't know. 95% of DNA, science can't determine a use for. Conclusion: call it "junk" DNA. Yeah that seems a logical explanation. Could it be that rational science is somehow lacking some element and is too damned arrogant to accept it?
Each discovery of a new planet (Uranus, Neptune and Pluto) corresponded with major events of the time. I've explained this on these boards before and I curse myself for getting baited by you narrow-minded people once again. But you really have no clue what you're talking about and your arrogance with it makes it even more exasperating. Try reading the history of science before the last two hundred years. Sacred geometry, alchemy ("Father of Modern Science" Isaac Newton's main body of work) before casting something down, simply cos you feel no one would dare challenge your primacy of thought.
The 10th planet has been talked about for years in astrological circles, and even if it hadn't it doesn't discredit it. Astrology will just adapt and move on, in the same way that all science does when faced with a new discovery.
Try reading about the precession of the equinoxes (we now face the constellation of Aquarius, hence the Age of Aquarius. Not a dated seventies tv show, but a precise scientific analysis of the position of our planet in this galaxy, and moreover an interpretation of what this means to us, humanity, as a whole, the superconscious of Freud.
Try understanding how an ancient culture like tha Maya could so accurately measure time and the position of this planet in relation to the galaxy, before gargantuan telescopes were invented, and why their precise calculations of the movements of this planet reaches it's zenith or nadir, depending on how you look at it, on Dec 21st 2012.
And then try to show some humility in the face of knowledge that far exceeds your own, or mine for that matter.
And before you state the obvious, I'm no better than you for reacting like a wounded animal.......but when you insult someone's work and passion you can hardly expect any other response.
You simply have no idea and your fundamentalist ignorance is embarassing and enraging
Clintons Cat
Walks Like A Twat.
Yeah the others are happy,sleepy,sneezy,earth,grumpy,bashful and docNine Bob Note said:Eighteen posts, and no smart arse has yet pointed out that it would only be the ninth (seeing as how Pluto isn't really a planet)
Can you explain why, seeing as pluto is seen as so significant in astrolger circles because of its distance, that this larger planet shouldn't have completely messed up every astrological forecast ever made?
squeegee said:Two pages of smug smartarse answers from the usual fuckwits who somehow think they are backing rational science by taking the piss out of astrology.
Tell me smartarses, when a new scientific theory is discovered that rejects previous theories, do we say that that discredits all of science? Astrology is only about prediction in the same way that meteorology is. But when a weatherman gets the weather wrong you don't reject meteorology.
Oh yeah, meteorology is based on precise scientific data. So is astrology, except astrologers do what mystics and philosophers throughout the ages do, and what square-brained rationalist fuckwits seem incapable of doing. Namely search for meaning underlying material reality.
Correspondences between objects and ideas, associations of symbolic meaning of objects and ideas, which correspond to the inner workings of the psyche. As above, so below. Yeah, you know, the emotional drives that modern science can only understand in terms of electrical sparks and chemical reactions, human qualities which mainstream science ignores and pretends are not there because its narrow definition of reality cannot encompass it. What is consciousness to modern hard science? Don't know. Our rationlism can't explain it, so let's pretend it's not there.
Astrology was discredited in the 17th century, was it?. You wish. Oh, how you must decry these poor deluded people who are turning more and more to spiritual and metaphysical explanations of this increasingly chaotic world that modern science struggles in vain to explain.
95% of the universe dark matter. Scientific explanation: don't know. 95% of DNA, science can't determine a use for. Conclusion: call it "junk" DNA. Yeah that seems a logical explanation. Could it be that rational science is somehow lacking some element and is too damned arrogant to accept it?
Each discovery of a new planet (Uranus, Neptune and Pluto) corresponded with major events of the time. I've explained this on these boards before and I curse myself for getting baited by you narrow-minded people once again. But you really have no clue what you're talking about and your arrogance with it makes it even more exasperating. Try reading the history of science before the last two hundred years. Sacred geometry, alchemy ("Father of Modern Science" Isaac Newton's main body of work) before casting something down, simply cos you feel no one would dare challenge your primacy of thought.
The 10th planet has been talked about for years in astrological circles, and even if it hadn't it doesn't discredit it. Astrology will just adapt and move on, in the same way that all science does when faced with a new discovery.
Try reading about the precession of the equinoxes (we now face the constellation of Aquarius, hence the Age of Aquarius. Not a dated seventies tv show, but a precise scientific analysis of the position of our planet in this galaxy, and moreover an interpretation of what this means to us, humanity, as a whole, the superconscious of Freud.
Try understanding how an ancient culture like tha Maya could so accurately measure time, before gargantuan telescopes were invented, and why their precise calculations of the movements of this planet reaches it's zenith or nadir, depending on how you look at it, on Dec 21st 2012.
And then try to show some humility in the face of knowledge that far exceeds your own, or mine for that matter.
And before you state the obvious, I'm no better than you for reacting like a wounded animal.......but when you insult someone's work and passion you can hardly expect any other response.
You simply have no idea and your fundamentalist ignorance is embarassing and enraging
Why all the anger?? Your superior level of insight should make you happy!
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)Usually though, the people who accuse rationalists/scientific method believers/actually existing evidence preferrers/repeatable test advocates of being 'fundamentalists' are conspiracy theorists. Nice to have a change and see an astrololoon doing the same, instead ...
So why do you not give a link to any peer-reviewed articles proving, with concrete verifiable evidence, coming as a result of repeatable experiments, that astrology works as a methodology for understanding or predicting the world?
Is it because there are no such articles or books?
It must be a conspiracy! Set up by the narrowminded, 'fundamentalist' scientific profession! Suppressing the real truth that only you and your friends are aware of!!!
Prove them wrong!
Astronomy = science ; Astrology = bollocks
How can a new discovery mess up the past? You deal with what you deal with when it's there. When a new discovery is made you adapt. All science does this. Why should astrology be any different?
It is more than material science. It is a way of defining our own conscious understanding of the world. The same way that when you decide you want to but a red golf, you suddenly notice lots of red golfs as you walk in the city (you must have experienced something similar?) Those golfs were always there, but your attention has been focused to noticing that car everywhere and thus it seems to has altered your perception.
When Pluto was discovered it heralded a period of darkness in our collective human pysche which culminated in the darkest period in our history (in truth bloody wars existed throughout historybut humanity decided to cast this as the bloodiest and darkest ever so it became so in our collective psyche), and it reached its zenith in the dropping of the atom bomb, one of those a plutonian bomb.
Probably the naming of Plutonium and Pluto was deliberate, which says more for the deeper knowledge of the greatest scientists of the ear, but Pluto being Lord of the Underworld in Greek mythology shows a significant correspondance with our struggle with the darkest recesses of our collective psyche.
Yeah I know it sounds like bullshit to some, and the fact is, professional astrologers could put it better, but in their absence I try my best. The 10th planet has long been heralded as the signal for a new dimension to our reality coinciding with the shift to the aquarian age and a new way of living.
Nothing previously is discredited. And astrology as I said is not about prediction as some here seem to understand it. It is hocus astrology that says next week you will lose your job because you are a scorpio.
Astrology indicates unconscious drives that are reflected by the movements of the planets that in metaphysics are connected to us as all the universe is one ball of energy and nothing moves without a corresponding movement somehwere else.
Just because human knowledge is incomplete and fallible, doesn't mean a system of thought that is understood by so many, and that works as a way of explaining drives which modern science is at a loss to explain, should be rejected by others, who simply reject out of prejudice rather than knowledge.
It is more than material science. It is a way of defining our own conscious understanding of the world. The same way that when you decide you want to but a red golf, you suddenly notice lots of red golfs as you walk in the city (you must have experienced something similar?) Those golfs were always there, but your attention has been focused to noticing that car everywhere and thus it seems to has altered your perception.
When Pluto was discovered it heralded a period of darkness in our collective human pysche which culminated in the darkest period in our history (in truth bloody wars existed throughout historybut humanity decided to cast this as the bloodiest and darkest ever so it became so in our collective psyche), and it reached its zenith in the dropping of the atom bomb, one of those a plutonian bomb.
Probably the naming of Plutonium and Pluto was deliberate, which says more for the deeper knowledge of the greatest scientists of the ear, but Pluto being Lord of the Underworld in Greek mythology shows a significant correspondance with our struggle with the darkest recesses of our collective psyche.
Yeah I know it sounds like bullshit to some, and the fact is, professional astrologers could put it better, but in their absence I try my best. The 10th planet has long been heralded as the signal for a new dimension to our reality coinciding with the shift to the aquarian age and a new way of living.
Nothing previously is discredited. And astrology as I said is not about prediction as some here seem to understand it. It is hocus astrology that says next week you will lose your job because you are a scorpio.
Astrology indicates unconscious drives that are reflected by the movements of the planets that in metaphysics are connected to us as all the universe is one ball of energy and nothing moves without a corresponding movement somehwere else.
Just because human knowledge is incomplete and fallible, doesn't mean a system of thought that is understood by so many, and that works as a way of explaining drives which modern science is at a loss to explain, should be rejected by others, who simply reject out of prejudice rather than knowledge.
EatMoreChips
Fate Amenable To Change
The only doom I'm scared of is if they name it Mondas...
(too nerdy?)
(too nerdy?)
The Groke
hot hail/Paging Dr. Beat
squeegee said:
Lol
In all seriousness, are we talking about a different definition of "Astrology" here
I am of the understanding that we are assuming it means:
"The study of the positions and aspects of celestial bodies in the belief that they have an influence on the course of natural earthly occurrences and human affairs."
Which is clearly nonsense of the highest order.
Now there may well be some correlation between nearby [relativley speaking] massive objects and physical events occouring on Earth, but surely this falls under the remit of physics?
If we are reading off the same hymn sheet I presume you will be trying to convince us all that we were created by some "Supreme Being" next......
Batley said:
The Sun outsells the Independent by an even greater margin
Oh yes, that famous small ad in a magazine (can't remember details) went a bit like this :
'Genuine psychics and mystics wanted, with extraordinary powers. Prize : £1= million. Prove your pwoers by finding me' [+ a box number]
or something along those lines ...
PacificOcean
Unhinged User
I don't understand how planets can be used to predict our lives. Or how the other 300 million Gemini's on the planet are going to have the same day as me.
I know the time of my birth, so I had one of those supposedly highly accurate personal horrorscopes done. What a load of cobblers. Nothing predicited came true.
One to lump with Tarot reading, palm reading, and BBC Three.
I know the time of my birth, so I had one of those supposedly highly accurate personal horrorscopes done. What a load of cobblers. Nothing predicited came true.
One to lump with Tarot reading, palm reading, and BBC Three.
EatMoreChips
Fate Amenable To Change
I shall remain in control of my own destiny, thanks very much, although I'd love to be in a universe so strange that a small-ish ball of ice millions of miles away could affect my urinary tract.
squeegee said:
'Deluded fundamentalists'
Perhaps sceptics of your beliefs aren't that keen on the 'evidence' you present, because its not evidence**?
**works published by Element Books of Shaftesbury, Dorset, are NOT 'evidence' in any accepted sense of the term -- when I say widely accepted, I mean accepted by anyone not fundamentally committed to astrololoonology!
Your choice of description of FACT, EVIDENCE AND RATIONALITY PREFERRERS tells us whole lot more about your perspective than you intend, I suspect.
Are sceptics of creationism also more like 'fundamentalists' than the Bible Belt Bornagain NeoCon Republicans who also accuse Darwinians/Evolutionists of 'fundamentalism'??
You might as well go the whole hog and join Dr Jazzz, bigfish, etc. in the conspiracist corner.
'We' are 'all' so 'narrow minded' -- I am 'open minded' enough to KNOW the 'real truth' revealed only to a select few like myself ...
Is that your outlook?
The parameters of this kind of so-called debate (Scientists versus Bollocksologists) are wearily familiar whether the subject under discussion is Darwinism/evolution (science) vs. Creationism/Literal truth of the Bible (bollocks) or Actual history/properly rigoruous investigative journalism (evidence) vs. Conspiracy Theory (made up speculative bollocks) or Astronomy (science) vs. Astrology (bollocks).
But it's so much easier to believe that astrology believers know the 'real truth' and that sceptics are ''all' 'narrow minded' and 'fundamentalist' isn't it?
The weight of reality is not on your side mate.
PacificOcean
Unhinged User
WouldBe said:
I did. I know the time to the minute and place (I even know which ward).
It was way off. For example, I am so shy it's a social problem for me, yet my personalised horrorscope said I was outgoing and loved to be centre of attention. Also none of it's predictions were correct.
Years back the Seppos launched a space ship to leave our solar system with a pictorial depiction of where it had come from and who we are. It included, iirc, da Vinci's drawing of that spreadeagled man and a diagram pointing to the 3rd planet in a system of 9, the idea being that any extra-terrestrials finding it would be smart enough to work out where to find us and pop over for a cuppa or something.
So that's that idea fucked. They're never gonna find us now that we're 3rd of 10
So that's that idea fucked. They're never gonna find us now that we're 3rd of 10
Bunniverse
Solidified Quark Soup...
It depicts 3 out from the sun - so unless there IS a planet nearer to the Sun than Mercury, I don't think they'll have much prob... 
PacificOcean
Unhinged User
Oxpecker said:Years back the Seppos launched a space ship to leave our solar system with a pictorial depiction of where it had come from and who we are. It included, iirc, da Vinci's drawing of that spreadeagled man and a diagram pointing to the 3rd planet in a system of 9, the idea being that any extra-terrestrials finding it would be smart enough to work out where to find us and pop over for a cuppa or something.
So that's that idea fucked. They're never gonna find us now that we're 3rd of 10
Haven't those NASA people seen Independence Day or War of the Worlds? What were they thinking? Why not just send it up with "Enslave us, we are here" written on it?
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