montevideo
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butchersapron said:
aye first name's are always fucking good here aren't they.
Dockers attacked in Strasbourg
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aye first name's are always fucking good here aren't they.
butchersapron
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I left skool at 5 years old.
(as he quotes a name)
(as he quotes a name)
montevideo
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butchersapron said:
like i say fucking clueless.
Appreciate the edit though.
montevideo
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catch said:http://libcom.org/news/article.php?story=tube-strike-interview-080106&query=tube
http://libcom.org/news/article.php?story=broadway-market-occupation-11-12-05&query=broadway+market
http://www.libcom.org/gallery/v/broadwaymarketoccupation/
That's two big original features in the space of a month, along with lots of shorter articles that were done from scratch (although not first hand information but what do you expect?). Or perhaps you think they're media echo because they both ended up on different sites later on? Where articles are lifted entirely from other sources, they're always attributed.
you mean like having an rss feed from them? or the links to newswires on the front page of the main site? http://www.libcom.org/news/feeds/
Will you be making the same criticisms about infoshop news, anarkismo.net, indymedia or in fact any other non-mainstream news source (and all mainstream ones who use AP or Reuters)?
around 2000 articles, pamphlets and full-length books, added to on a daily basis. We've been concentrating up to now on restoring an archive that was taken off-line about three weeks after the library started (endpage.com) which has taken the second half of last year to put in. That's being finished off and tidied up, and we're slowly trying to diversify the content beyond that core content - including stuff that's not currently on-line elsewhere.
you're missing the point. If i want to find out about what happened to, say for example, the dockers in stasbourg, do i go to libcom? Possibly but then i would go to the linked original material that are better informed, more informative & generally a better service (be it the bbc website, guardian or labournet etc). What then is the purpose of the newswire. As a primary source then libcom is next to useless. What does it add, if nothing, why not simply link to the original source material?
Again, if your library contains 2000 articles texts etc, then larc contains 200,000 of a greater variety, & political more diverse articles, pamphlets & books. What your library provides then is a convenience, the convenience of not going to a better resource.
The two questions i would ask is what are you adding & to whom is the resource useful to? (This is without the issue of how an anarchist resource organises itself).
As i have said the only thing that could have been useful (a focal point & networking possibilities for various groups & organisations) was fucked from the start.
Ps the only two anarchists actively involved in the broadway market occupation happen to be from the wombles. Go figure.
butchersapron
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You are truly off your post 1999 posh rocker.
The past is a different country as they say.
The past is a different country as they say.
montevideo
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butchersapron said:
says weird obessional stalker boy.
butchersapron
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You could almost invent a past couldn't you?
montevideo
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butchersapron said:
you clueless fuck
butchersapron
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...yes you could...
montevideo
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nar, you still got a pair of fives & nothing up your sleeve.
You love your gossip though dontcha
You love your gossip though dontcha
butchersapron
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tick tock tick tock
butchersapron
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Fishponds is nice.
butchersapron
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Which no one reads, except for monty's old poly chums.
So you expect libertarian news sources to be as well resourced as the BBC or Guardian, both of which are heavily reliant on news agencies for some stories anyway?montevideo said:
Labournet (and labourstart), both of those sites are primarily links or reposts of articles elsewhere - union press releases or articles in mainstream sources about unions, and they're great for that. I look at labourstart just about every day (I find labournet a bit more hard work to navigate), and get a lot of information from them for libcom.org/news, but they also increasingly use our news on their newswire as well - it's a complementary process. However, both labourstart and labournet are both focused primarily on the trade union movement, and rarely cover community issues, or anti-fascism etc. and nor do they plan to.
Did you read my post? We have rss syndication of the main news sources we take articles from (and which take articles from us sometimes as well). This may expand as the news service does.
Again, you ignore completely the original content on there, including primary sources, that's posted to the news, and the stuff in the library that can't be found elsewhere on the internet (although lots can, not always in an easily searchable or readable format though even when it is). I'm not aware of any major news sites which rely only on 100% original content by their own reporters, so why expect that of a service run by a handful of people?
As jimmer pointed out, the site gets around half a million page views a month, so it's clearly useful to a lot of people, around 80% of that is outside the forums (which I'd be the first to admit could be a lot better).
As to the library, what is LARC doing to make these '200000' texts available to people. I've been there once, and didn't see the library, nor any indication that it existed. If LARC is simply hoarding texts and not making any effort available to people "The two questions i would ask is what are you adding & to whom is the resource useful to?".
*I'm not an anarchist.
*The best thing about that occupation is it's not entirely reliant on politicos to keep going, and that it's managed to maintain strong links with the community.
*I can think of one anarchist who's been very involved but isn't from your group (not sure if he'd describe himself as such).
*Some of the politicos (not anarchists) there nearly 24 hours a day are from HI. Not me, I've been down once or twice a week since it started, and I've tried to help with publicity where possible (both door-to-door and on the net) which I wouldn't call "actively involved", but nor am I using it to score cheap political points.
*The guy from your group who is involved a lot is very personable and not involved in these bunfights as far as I know.
montevideo
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catch said:
*at least you've given up that illusion. I said you weren't ages ago. Now just need the rest of the runt litter to follow.
*the best thing about the occupation is that it is about self-organisation. The politicos are very much less militant that the locals.
*said i was an anarchist when i went down there, no-one had a problem with it. Another misconception shattered by 'ordinary people'.
*much respect for those from hackney independent. Always good to see people putting their politics into action.
*probably doesn't know what kind of bullshit you come out with here & elsewhere.
You've become the arbiter of who is and isn't an anarchist now? I thought you were against that sort of thing?montevideo said:
The locals are very militant I'll give you that.
I've been honest about my politics down there as well.I didn't turn up and say "I'm catch, I'm a libertarian communist" 'cos that would be silly, but if people ask I'll tell them.
Attica said:
Attica, if Class War would like to be represented in the library (is unfinished business online anywhere?) we'd be happy to host it.
We'd also be very happy to receive material on the miners strike as well. The library now accepts registrations - so people can post articles up themselves (although it's moderated and there's no guarantees of inclusion for everything).
montevideo
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catch said:You've become the arbiter of who is and isn't an anarchist now? I thought you were against that sort of thing?
The locals are very militant I'll give you that.
I've been honest about my politics down there as well.I didn't turn up and say "I'm catch, I'm a libertarian communist" 'cos that would be silly, but if people ask I'll tell them.
as i said before i think you'd be a lot happier in you politics if you recognised yourself simply as a a marxist. The 'self-hating anarchist' persona was doing you no favours.
I think you (& the rest of libcom) are constantly troubled by the way anarchists are perceived (or rather by the way you imagine they are perceived) & as such reflects badly on your politics & lifestyle, hence the need to constantly distance yourself from other self-defined anarchists & affirm the correct position.
The truth is the people down at tony's cafe think the anarchists are the people who got stuck in to help rebuild the roof, who brought down the gas burners to cook on, who organised the cafe night, who helped with the electrics & reinforcing the cafe, who stayed overnight almost constantly during the 'eviction scare' period. Who like a drink & a laugh & work their bollocks off to get things done.
That's how anarchists are perceived by the people down at tony's cafe. It is you & your bunch who are in the minority in terms of perception & in terms of worrying how 'ordinary people' will perceive you & their preconception of anarchists.
I think these things will become more self evident when you stop being an anti-social group & begin expressing your politics directly to those people you claim to be demystifying.
montevideo
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catch said:
self-hating anarchist to self-denying marxist, you must have some sleepless nights.
In your rush to give me advice and help with my self-hating, self-denying sleepless nights (I sleep quite well at the moment, but won't be in a couple of weeks when mini-catch arrives 
), you appear to have forgotten to respond to the rest of my post above . Here it is again.
Labournet (and labourstart), both of those sites are primarily links or reposts of articles elsewhere - union press releases or articles in mainstream sources about unions, and they're great for that. I look at labourstart just about every day (I find labournet a bit more hard work to navigate), and get a lot of information from them for libcom.org/news, but they also increasingly use our news on their newswire as well - it's a complementary process. However, both labourstart and labournet are both focused primarily on the trade union movement, and rarely cover community issues, or anti-fascism etc. and nor do they plan to.
As jimmer pointed out, the site gets around half a million page views a month, so it's clearly useful to a lot of people, around 80% of that is outside the forums (which I'd be the first to admit could be a lot better).
As to the library, what is LARC doing to make these '200000' texts available to people. I've been there once, and didn't see the library, nor any indication that it existed. If LARC is simply hoarding texts and not making any effort available to people "The two questions i would ask is what are you adding & to whom is the resource useful to?".
), you appear to have forgotten to respond to the rest of my post above . Here it is again.So you expect libertarian news sources to be as well resourced as the BBC or Guardian, both of which are heavily reliant on news agencies for some stories anyway?montevideo said:
Labournet (and labourstart), both of those sites are primarily links or reposts of articles elsewhere - union press releases or articles in mainstream sources about unions, and they're great for that. I look at labourstart just about every day (I find labournet a bit more hard work to navigate), and get a lot of information from them for libcom.org/news, but they also increasingly use our news on their newswire as well - it's a complementary process. However, both labourstart and labournet are both focused primarily on the trade union movement, and rarely cover community issues, or anti-fascism etc. and nor do they plan to.
Did you read my post? We have rss syndication of the main news sources we take articles from (and which take articles from us sometimes as well). This may expand as the news service does.
Again, you ignore completely the original content on there, including primary sources, that's posted to the news, and the stuff in the library that can't be found elsewhere on the internet (although lots can, not always in an easily searchable or readable format though even when it is). I'm not aware of any major news sites which rely only on 100% original content by their own reporters, so why expect that of a service run by a handful of people?
As jimmer pointed out, the site gets around half a million page views a month, so it's clearly useful to a lot of people, around 80% of that is outside the forums (which I'd be the first to admit could be a lot better).
As to the library, what is LARC doing to make these '200000' texts available to people. I've been there once, and didn't see the library, nor any indication that it existed. If LARC is simply hoarding texts and not making any effort available to people "The two questions i would ask is what are you adding & to whom is the resource useful to?".
Well, I've not been there apart from one meeting in the basement, which put me off the place frankly. To have 200,000 texts it'd probably need to be filled top to bottom with bookshelves or filing cabinets, which weren't in evidence, but I was prepared to give Monte the benefit of the doubt if he was prepared to answer my questions.Top Dog said:
Swappie march estimate you say? So if I replaced 'texts' with 'word's would we be closer to the figure?
Emma Herself
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Maybe the 200,000 texts also include boxes of old undistributed leaflets and stickers. Counted individually?
Top Dog
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There is scant enough public access to publications, history and informaiton on communist/anarchist/radical working class history without a cock measuring contest.
Both should be utilised as valuable resources... and both should grow
What i find a bit patheitc is the idea that a physical library and an online resource are posed here in competition with eachother...catch said:
There is scant enough public access to publications, history and informaiton on communist/anarchist/radical working class history without a cock measuring contest.
Both should be utilised as valuable resources... and both should grow
Emma Herself
let me be your office boy
I agree. they both fill different roles and have their pros and cons in the same way. It's kinda strange way to go about things, it's not like the libcom library was set up in competition with anything, just as another resource peole could access easily, search through easily etc. Personally I can't get into reading large texts off a screen, I prefer to have a book but it can always be printed out. Just depends what you're after I guess.
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